Gender-neutral restrooms...causing girls to...stay home when menstruating

[Syne]

As far as the old transgender territory goes, that required more than "just accept my word about what I am this week"... I don't consider consistency over the course of years in identifying with the opposite sex to be a psychological disorder. Even in this new or looming frontier of no physical, behavioral, and cross-dressing qualifications... I wouldn't attribute "disorder" (as a first explanation) to a child or teen who constantly changes their mind about their identity in that department. Since general irregularity, unreliability, unruliness, irrationality, confusion, and just doing things to deliberately irritate adults are more or less normal expectations in childhood.

So just because it's consistent over the course of years it isn't a psychological disorder? That reasoning doesn't seem to hold for ANY psychological disorder, and would thus seems completely specious. Most adolescents with such confusion will grow out of it, if only allowed to...rather than being encouraged in their confusion.

If it is so then what exactly is a biological reason? Help me understand how being born with the body of one sex biologically determines you're the opposite.

“The male and female brain have structural differences,” he says. Men and women tend to have different volumes in certain areas of the brain.

“When we look at the transgender brain, we see that the brain resembles the gender that the person identifies as,” Dr. Altinay says. For example, a person who is born with a penis but ends up identifying as a female often actually has some of the structural characteristics of a “female” brain.

"Resembles" but never matches, and readily explained by neuroplasticity.

In this article, we first review the studies on the brain of transgender people and then we will discuss the validity of this claim based on the CBB loop model. In summary, transgender individuals experience change in lifestyle, context of beliefs and concepts and, as a result, their culture and behaviors. Given the close relationship and interaction between culture, behavior and brain, the individual’s brain adapts itself to the new condition (culture) and concepts and starts to alter its function and structure.
- https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5953012/


It’s unlikely that gender identity has such a straightforward biological explanation, however, and some studies have identified features of the transgender brain that appear closer to the natal sex, casting doubt on the developmental mismatch hypothesis. In a 2015 study from the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience, a comparison of the distribution of gray matter in 55 female-to-male and 38 male-to-female transgender adolescents with cisgender controls in the same age group found broad similarities in the hypothalami and the cerebellums of the transgender subjects and cisgender participants of the same natal sex.
- https://www.the-scientist.com/features/a...ople-30027

[Magical Realist]

Given the close relationship and interaction between culture, behavior and brain, the individual’s brain adapts itself to the new condition (culture) and concepts and starts to alter its function and structure.

Nope..experiments with transgender kids already ruled that out.


"In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children.

This kind of study is important, says Baudewijntje Kreukels, an expert on gender dysphoria at VU University Medical Center, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.” The same can be said of another 2014 experiment by Burke and her colleagues. They measured the responses of boys and girls with gender dysphoria to echolike sounds produced by the inner ear in response to a clicking noise. Boys with gender dysphoria responded more like typical females, who have a stronger response to these sounds. But girls with gender dysphoria also responded like typical females.

Overall the weight of these studies and others points strongly toward a biological basis for gender dysphoria. But given the variety of transgender people and the variation in the brains of men and women generally, it will be a long time, if ever, before a doctor can do a brain scan on a child and say, “Yes, this child is trans.”----------- https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...der-brain/

[Syne]

Still doesn't rule out neuroplasticity.

Experience-dependent neuroplasticity of the developing hypothalamus: integrative epigenomic approaches
Neuroplasticity of the Hypothalamic–Pituitary–Adrenal Axis Early in Life Requires Recurrent Recruitment of Stress-Regulating Brain Regions
Sex Differences in Stress Adaption: Neuroplasticity Within the Paraventricular Nucleus of the Hypothalamus

All neuroplastic changes on the hypothalamus.

[Magical Realist]

Still doesn't rule out neuroplasticity.

Experience-dependent neuroplasticity of the developing hypothalamus: integrative epigenomic approaches
Neuroplasticity of the Hypothalamic–Pituitary–Adrenal Axis Early in Life Requires Recurrent Recruitment of Stress-Regulating Brain Regions
Sex Differences in Stress Adaption: Neuroplasticity Within the Paraventricular Nucleus of the Hypothalamus

All neuroplastic changes on the hypothalamus.

Yes it does:

This kind of study is important, says Baudewijntje Kreukels, an expert on gender dysphoria at VU University Medical Center, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.”

[Syne]

Still doesn't rule out neuroplasticity.

Experience-dependent neuroplasticity of the developing hypothalamus: integrative epigenomic approaches
Neuroplasticity of the Hypothalamic–Pituitary–Adrenal Axis Early in Life Requires Recurrent Recruitment of Stress-Regulating Brain Regions
Sex Differences in Stress Adaption: Neuroplasticity Within the Paraventricular Nucleus of the Hypothalamus

All neuroplastic changes on the hypothalamus.

Yes it does:

This kind of study is important, says Baudewijntje Kreukels, an expert on gender dysphoria at VU University Medical Center, “because sex differences in responding to odors cannot be influenced by training or environment.”

An "expert on gender dysphoria" is the most prone to bias. Like you, they have a vested interest in reaching certain conclusions. And after I've posted many citations of neuroplasticity changes to the hypothalamus, you repeating it is just an appeal to authority fallacy. Find some new/more data to support you case. Otherwise, I've already thoroughly refuted it.

[Magical Realist]

An "expert on gender dysphoria" is the most prone to bias. Like you, they have a vested interest in reaching certain conclusions. And after I've posted many citations of neuroplasticity changes to the hypothalamus, you repeating it is just an appeal to authority fallacy. Find some new/more data to support you case. Otherwise, I've already thoroughly refuted it.

I'm quoting the experiment, which thoroughly debunks your bullshit theory that transgender kids change their own brains by acting out their identified gender. That is just stupid. There's no evidence whatsoever that the structures of the brain change from one's behavior or beliefs. The experiment shows they have the brains of their identified with gender without any possibility of them being changed by experience or learning.

[Syne]

An "expert on gender dysphoria" is the most prone to bias. Like you, they have a vested interest in reaching certain conclusions. And after I've posted many citations of neuroplasticity changes to the hypothalamus, you repeating it is just an appeal to authority fallacy. Find some new/more data to support you case. Otherwise, I've already thoroughly refuted it.

I'm quoting the experiment, which thoroughly debunks your bullshit theory that transgender kids change their own brains by acting out their identified gender. That is just stupid. There's no evidence whatsoever that the structures of the brain change from one's behavior or beliefs. The experiment shows they have the brains of their identified with gender without any possibility of them being changed by experience or learning.

I cited three different studies to support my point, while you only quote one biased source as a blatant appeal to authority.
And you're obviously illiterate on neuroplasticity. The experiment you cited contradicts that "they have the brains of their identified with gender without any possibility of them being changed by experience or learning" because it says the prepubescents with gender dysphoria do not show the same "identified gender" characteristics as they do later. Which literally means that their brains have changed. Try reading the actual studies you try to cite.

[Magical Realist]

says the prepubescents with gender dysphoria do not show the same "identified gender" characteristics as they do later.

No it didn't say that. It said "The results were less clear with the prepubertal children." Which makes sense since their brains aren't done developing yet. It has nothing to do with their brains being changed by their behavior and beliefs. That doesn't happen. It's your own made up bullshit.

[billvon]

It's really sad that political insanity has led to girls being ashamed to go out while menstruating, much like the archaic notion of them being isolated for being "impure". How many ways is the transgender agenda going to harm actual women before leftists give it up?

It's really sad that right wingers have inculcated such fear in people that women are afraid to use the bathroom.  Congratulations, right wing.

[Syne]

It's really sad that political insanity has led to girls being ashamed to go out while menstruating, much like the archaic notion of them being isolated for being "impure". How many ways is the transgender agenda going to harm actual women before leftists give it up?

It's really sad that right wingers have inculcated such fear in people that women are afraid to use the bathroom.  Congratulations, right wing.

You really have no clue, do you? Not a single female family member or friend that could lend you one either, huh? You really think that girls have no natural qualms about using unisex bathrooms, with immature boys, and while on their period. Hell, ask SS about how she sizes up every man for danger, and how she'd feel about doing that in a bathroom cubicle. She's anything but conservative.