Online providers knock 8chan offline after mass shootings

(Aug 7, 2019 03:43 PM)Leigha Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 02:50 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 02:21 AM)Leigha Wrote: The El Paso shooter is as dangerous as they come. Who said the authorities shouldn’t be notified?

I didn't say they shouldn't; I said that if it's dangerous enough to censor online, why aren't those censors reporting it to the police. Either it's actually dangerous, and warrants involving the police, or it's not dangerous, and doesn't warrant being censored.

I think it's a slow fade, though. People like the El Paso or Parkland shooters don't start right out of the gate, posting their reckless ideas of violence. It probably starts with hate speech involving extreme racism or misogyny perhaps, and then it builds from there. Where should we start drawing lines? If a site/forum is designed with the intent to incite violence (of course, the site owners will feign ignorance) then they should be deactivated. I'm not familiar with the format of 8chan, or the content - but from what I've been reading, it's known as the ''cesspool of hate.''

Without evidence, it's only your assumption of who intends to incite violence, and your straw man that anyone feigns ignorance. I haven't seen any studies that show that having an outlet for maladjusted feelings facilitates escalating to violence, without a genuine attempt to recruit/radicalize by others. The mentally ill do, on the other hand, have a propensity to escalate when they feel persecuted.

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(Aug 7, 2019 05:17 PM)billvon Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 02:50 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 02:21 AM)Leigha Wrote: The El Paso shooter is as dangerous as they come. Who said the authorities shouldn’t be notified?

I didn't say they shouldn't; I said that if it's dangerous enough to censor online, why aren't those censors reporting it to the police. Either it's actually dangerous, and warrants involving the police, or it's not dangerous, and doesn't warrant being censored.

Because it is privately owned.  Therefore, the owner does not have to believe it is "dangerous enough to be reporting it to the police" to decide it is wise to shut it down.  It may be because he does not wish to be held liable if something happens.  It may be because he doesn't like incels.  It may be for any other reason; it's his site.

Who said otherwise? O_o
The problem is with the same "platform" protections that 8chan benefits from. Either you don't censor anything except illegal activity and you're protected from liability, or you editorialize with biased censoring and you are a "publisher", liable for everything on your platform.

Why are you defending a ''cesspool of hate,'' Syne? 

(Aug 7, 2019 11:16 PM)Leigha Wrote: Why are you defending a ''cesspool of hate,'' Syne? 

Bite me, liar. You're time on SF has affected you for the worse.

(Aug 7, 2019 11:18 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:16 PM)Leigha Wrote: Why are you defending a ''cesspool of hate,'' Syne? 

Bite me, liar. You're time on SF has affected you for the worse.

lol you're so predictable, Syne.

That said, how you're seemingly defending a site that incites racial tension (at the very least) and hatred towards women (at the very least), speaks about your character, not mine.

(Aug 7, 2019 11:20 PM)Leigha Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:18 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:16 PM)Leigha Wrote: Why are you defending a ''cesspool of hate,'' Syne? 

Bite me, liar. You're time on SF has affected you for the worse.

lol you're so predictable, Syne.

That said, how you're seemingly defending a site that incites racial tension (at the very least) and hatred towards women (at the very least), speaks about your character, not mine.

The guys that hung out on 8chan were probably all incel losers like Syne is, frustrated by the opposite sex and so driven to a life of scapegoating groups of people for the evils of this world. Syne projects all the bad qualities in himself that he loathes on liberals and mainstream culture, echoing the rallying cry of white supremacists and misogynists who think they have the secret truth that the masses are ignorant of. It's the same mindset of constant resentment and hate towards people they don't even know to make themselves feel smarter and superior to them. That's why Syne defends them.

(Aug 7, 2019 11:20 PM)Leigha Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:18 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:16 PM)Leigha Wrote: Why are you defending a ''cesspool of hate,'' Syne? 

Bite me, liar. You're time on SF has affected you for the worse.

lol you're so predictable, Syne.

That said, how you're seemingly defending a site that incites racial tension (at the very least) and hatred towards women (at the very least), speaks about your character, not mine.

I don't know anything about the site. I'm just talking about free speech, legal "platform" protections, and the disconnect between censoring and not informing law enforcement. You're projecting all the rest, deary.

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(Aug 8, 2019 12:41 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: The guys that hung out on 8chan were probably all incel losers like Syne is, frustrated by the opposite sex and so driven to a life of scapegoating groups of people for the evils of this world. Syne projects all the bad qualities in himself that he loathes on liberals and mainstream culture, echoing the rallying cry of white supremacists and misogynists who think they have the secret truth that the masses are ignorant of. It's the same mindset of constant resentment and hate towards people they don't even know to make themselves feel smarter and superior to them.

And the Dayton, Ohio shooter was probably an agoraphobic hermit, like MR is, scared of his own shadow and conspiratorial persecution complex, making up a bunch of insults that he never can point to any actual evidence for, and projecting his own hatred on others...hence the persecution complex.

(Aug 8, 2019 12:45 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:20 PM)Leigha Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:18 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:16 PM)Leigha Wrote: Why are you defending a ''cesspool of hate,'' Syne? 

Bite me, liar. You're time on SF has affected you for the worse.

lol you're so predictable, Syne.

That said, how you're seemingly defending a site that incites racial tension (at the very least) and hatred towards women (at the very least), speaks about your character, not mine.

I don't know anything about the site. I'm just talking about free speech, legal "platform" protections, and the disconnect between censoring and not informing law enforcement. You're projecting all the rest, deary.

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(Aug 8, 2019 12:41 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: The guys that hung out on 8chan were probably all incel losers like Syne is, frustrated by the opposite sex and so driven to a life of scapegoating groups of people for the evils of this world. Syne projects all the bad qualities in himself that he loathes on liberals and mainstream culture, echoing the rallying cry of white supremacists and misogynists who think they have the secret truth that the masses are ignorant of. It's the same mindset of constant resentment and hate towards people they don't even know to make themselves feel smarter and superior to them.

And the Dayton, Ohio shooter was probably an agoraphobic hermit, like MR is, scared of his own shadow and conspiratorial persecution complex, making up a bunch of insults that he never can point to any actual evidence for, and projecting his own hatred on others...hence the persecution complex.

Okay, I see. You're speaking in generalities. I'd agree with you, then. In this particular case, I do think it's long overdue to have 8chan deactivated, dismantled...whatever the case. There's no projecting, it was a misunderstanding.

It happens.

(Aug 6, 2019 11:42 PM)stryder Wrote: The problem with the term Free Speech is a lot of people use it, and they all use it using what they think is the correct assumption over it's meaning and this in turn means it ends up getting misused and abused in ways it wasn't intended.

I'm not going to suggest I know what the original meaning was, but I can point out that Free Speech itself needs to be analysed and identified as to what it's about and what it intend. 

From my perspective Free Speech is suppose to be about being free from reprisal or persecution for your view when you offer one towards a system (like a government) with the intention of doing something goo.  Think of it along the lines of game theory, if people come up with the best ideas but worry they will be shouted down, chased off with pitchforks or set fire to then how is a government suppose to embrace the best possible strategies into their options?  The concept of Free Speech therefore is suppose to allow people to have their say to the extent of being part of making the whole better, not worse.

The current misrepresentation of Free Speech looks towards literally allowing the words of terrorists to undermine the majority in it's name and that from my perspective is not what it was ever about (or ever intended to be about), however all this should be taken with a pinch of salt since I'm a (disgruntled at best) Englishman and the concept of Free Speech was born of those founding fathers in the US that were try to achieve a Utopian environment for Democracy (be they Free Masons or not).

well said
precisely my opinion.
( i have chatted to some Freemasons in depth and they are extremely community focused liberty orientated culturally secular people who share a common goal of helping society and the community move forward pro-actively)
some people who may claim to be Freemasons may do so while living in the murky backwaters of some animalistic moral and social practices, but they certainly do not represent freemason ideology.

the irony of collective groups in the usa culture is the fact that many people abide separatist oppression cultural practices as a main stay of what group identification is.
that is very backward animalistic cave-man type gang ideation of groups being a tool of power for the individual dictator rather than a collective will to evolve.

what use is freedom if everyone is forced to live by the law of the gun ?
They do not have Freedom
they have Guns Ruling their lives and no freedom to do anything unless they kill everyone else who might fire first.
Free speech used as an excuse to be free from persecution for being an advocate of oppression and violence is hate speech.

it does not surprise me that the usa has such a difficult social and cultural problem with the idea
on one hand you have the ultra-liberals who are civilized and pro-actively engaged in freedom and liberty and civility, education and quality of life
on the other you have all the church groups and hate groups.

most of the church groups have allowed themselves to be aligned with and morally equal to hate groups.
There are some that stand out as being far beyond & above such aspects of negativity and oppression, but they are not the norm.

(Aug 8, 2019 01:33 AM)Leigha Wrote:

(Aug 8, 2019 12:45 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:20 PM)Leigha Wrote: That said, how you're seemingly defending a site that incites racial tension (at the very least) and hatred towards women (at the very least), speaks about your character, not mine.

I don't know anything about the site. I'm just talking about free speech, legal "platform" protections, and the disconnect between censoring and not informing law enforcement. You're projecting all the rest, deary.

Okay, I see. You're speaking in generalities. I'd agree with you, then. In this particular case, I do think it's long overdue to have 8chan deactivated, dismantled...whatever the case. There's no projecting, it was a misunderstanding.

It happens.

Maybe you shouldn't start in on the character assassination until you're sure you understand. Or be big enough to actually offer an apology for it, now that you realize the mistake. Saying "it happens" just seems to be a way for you sidestep it without acknowledging how nasty you were being. Own it.

(Aug 8, 2019 02:49 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 8, 2019 01:33 AM)Leigha Wrote:

(Aug 8, 2019 12:45 AM)Syne Wrote:

(Aug 7, 2019 11:20 PM)Leigha Wrote: That said, how you're seemingly defending a site that incites racial tension (at the very least) and hatred towards women (at the very least), speaks about your character, not mine.

I don't know anything about the site. I'm just talking about free speech, legal "platform" protections, and the disconnect between censoring and not informing law enforcement. You're projecting all the rest, deary.

Okay, I see. You're speaking in generalities. I'd agree with you, then. In this particular case, I do think it's long overdue to have 8chan deactivated, dismantled...whatever the case. There's no projecting, it was a misunderstanding.

It happens.

Maybe you shouldn't start in on the character assassination until you're sure you understand. Or be big enough to actually offer an apology for it, now that you realize the mistake. Saying "it happens" just seems to be a way for you sidestep it without acknowledging how nasty you were being. Own it.

Like you apologize for all of the hurtful things you say to people on here? You've been attacking people on here for a very long time, including newbies to this site, for no reason. Calling people spineless and stupid, and so on. All of the horrible offensive things you have posted towards MR. Not one apology do you offer. And you turn around telling me that SF has changed me lol Meanwhile, today was a genuine misunderstanding and I admitted that. You never concede, never apologize, never admit when you've made an error. You post many unkind sentiments, and we all should just give you a pass because well...''it's just the way Syne is.''

Maybe you should practice what you preach.