Actually, they should allow it. That way law enforcement knows the best places to monitor for warning signs. Otherwise it disappears back into the shadows and strikes without any notice.
The problem with the term Free Speech is a lot of people use it, and they all use it using what they think is the correct assumption over it's meaning and this in turn means it ends up getting misused and abused in ways it wasn't intended.
I'm not going to suggest I know what the original meaning was, but I can point out that Free Speech itself needs to be analysed and identified as to what it's about and what it intend.
From my perspective Free Speech is suppose to be about being free from reprisal or persecution for your view when you offer one towards a system (like a government) with the intention of doing something goo. Think of it along the lines of game theory, if people come up with the best ideas but worry they will be shouted down, chased off with pitchforks or set fire to then how is a government suppose to embrace the best possible strategies into their options? The concept of Free Speech therefore is suppose to allow people to have their say to the extent of being part of making the whole better, not worse.
The current misrepresentation of Free Speech looks towards literally allowing the words of terrorists to undermine the majority in it's name and that from my perspective is not what it was ever about (or ever intended to be about), however all this should be taken with a pinch of salt since I'm a (disgruntled at best) Englishman and the concept of Free Speech was born of those founding fathers in the US that were try to achieve a Utopian environment for Democracy (be they Free Masons or not).
(Aug 6, 2019 11:36 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, they should allow it. That way law enforcement knows the best places to monitor for warning signs. Otherwise it disappears back into the shadows and strikes without any notice.
Hmm. That's not a bad point, Syne. But, I wonder if these sites encourage people who might be on the fence, and give others ideas, you know? Supposedly, this El Paso shooter was the third person to use the 8chan forum for posting their rhetoric, before their attacks. Is it fair to call 8chan a breeding ground for these types of troubled people to gain acceptance and encouragement?
Free speech is any speech that is not otherwise illegal. Inciting/recruiting/radicalizing for violence are illegal. Pretty simple. Everything else either sinks or floats in the free market of ideas, of media and tech companies aren't putting their thumbs on the scales.
(Aug 6, 2019 11:44 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 6, 2019 11:36 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, they should allow it. That way law enforcement knows the best places to monitor for warning signs. Otherwise it disappears back into the shadows and strikes without any notice.
Hmm. That's not a bad point, Syne. But, I wonder if these sites encourage people who might be on the fence, and give others ideas, you know? Supposedly, this El Paso shooter was the third person to use the 8chan forum for posting their rhetoric, before their attacks. Is it fair to call 8chan a breeding ground for these types of troubled people to gain acceptance and encouragement?
If not there, where we know where to look, it WILL happen elsewhere. Even if it's a live chat for a video game.
From the sounds of it, 8chan is definitely a catalyst (at the very least) for inciting racist violence.
(Aug 6, 2019 10:34 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not at all familiar with 8chan, but it's hard to believe that reputable tech companies would wish to have anything to do with it, especially in light of the recent mass shootings.
I never heard of it either (or more likely have forgot), but with respect to it constantly migrating to new locations when shut down at an _X_, it sounds like the "Pirate Bay" of
imageboard forums, if not some traditional bulletin board discussions going on with it, too.
The Washington Post described it as "the more-lawless, more-libertarian, more 'free' follow-up to 4chan." Another of countless nomadic services and projects which eternally evade attempts to stop their operation. Includes flirting with child pornography related activity.
Online providers knock 8chan offline after mass shooting
https://www.apnews.com/f82d6b27caf64167852ace2dad6c0c63
8chan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan
(Aug 6, 2019 11:46 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Free speech is any speech that is not otherwise illegal. Inciting/recruiting/radicalizing for violence are illegal. Pretty simple. Everything else either sinks or floats in the free market of ideas, of media and tech companies aren't putting their thumbs on the scales.
(Aug 6, 2019 11:44 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 6, 2019 11:36 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Actually, they should allow it. That way law enforcement knows the best places to monitor for warning signs. Otherwise it disappears back into the shadows and strikes without any notice.
Hmm. That's not a bad point, Syne. But, I wonder if these sites encourage people who might be on the fence, and give others ideas, you know? Supposedly, this El Paso shooter was the third person to use the 8chan forum for posting their rhetoric, before their attacks. Is it fair to call 8chan a breeding ground for these types of troubled people to gain acceptance and encouragement?
If not there, where we know where to look, it WILL happen elsewhere. Even if it's a live chat for a video game.
If these sites don't do anything, or worse...encourage and incite racist violence that leads to a massacre like these past shootings, should they be held partially legally liable? I mean, the El Paso shooter was posting on the 8chan forum before he carried out the attacks. Doubtful he was posting about the weather.
(Aug 6, 2019 11:49 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]I never heard of it either (or more likely have forgot), but with respect to it constantly migrating to new locations when shut down at an _X_, it sounds like the "Pirate Bay" of imageboard forums, if not some traditional bulletin board discussions going on with it, too. The Washington Post described it as "the more-lawless, more-libertarian, more 'free' follow-up to 4chan." Another of countless nomadic services and projects which eternally evade attempts to stop their operation. Includes flirting with child pornography related activity.
Online providers knock 8chan offline after mass shooting
https://www.apnews.com/f82d6b27caf64167852ace2dad6c0c63
8chan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan
Same here but did you notice that bit about Trump in your link? If that's true, it's really weird.
Quote:In July 2016, U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump tweeted an image of Hillary Clinton with a background of money and a six-pointed star, seen by some as resembling the Star of David, containing the message "Most corrupt candidate ever". The image had been posted to 8chan's /pol/ board as early as June 22, over a week before Trump's team tweeted it.
(Aug 6, 2019 11:49 PM)C C Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 6, 2019 10:34 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not at all familiar with 8chan, but it's hard to believe that reputable tech companies would wish to have anything to do with it, especially in light of the recent mass shootings.
I never heard of it either (or more likely have forgot), but with respect to it constantly migrating to new locations when shut down at an _X_, it sounds like the "Pirate Bay" of imageboard forums, if not some traditional bulletin board discussions going on with it, too. The Washington Post described it as "the more-lawless, more-libertarian, more 'free' follow-up to 4chan." Another of countless nomadic services and projects which eternally evade attempts to stop their operation. Includes flirting with child pornography related activity.
Online providers knock 8chan offline after mass shooting
https://www.apnews.com/f82d6b27caf64167852ace2dad6c0c63
8chan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8chan
Ah, the ''8'' is an infinity sign ...standing up right? Infinitychan.
It'll be interesting to see where this leads, and if it will set a precedent for other sites that are similar in format and content. Reddit is another forum that should be closely monitored.