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Online providers knock 8chan offline after mass shootings

#31
Syne Offline
(Aug 8, 2019 03:04 AM)Leigha Wrote:
(Aug 8, 2019 02:49 AM)Syne Wrote: Maybe you shouldn't start in on the character assassination until you're sure you understand. Or be big enough to actually offer an apology for it, now that you realize the mistake. Saying "it happens" just seems to be a way for you sidestep it without acknowledging how nasty you were being. Own it.
Like you apologize for all of the hurtful things you say to people on here? You've been attacking people on here for a very long time, including newbies to this site, for no reason. Calling people spineless and stupid, and so on. All of the horrible offensive things you have posted towards MR. Not one apology do you offer. And you turn around telling me that SF has changed me lol Meanwhile, today was a genuine misunderstanding and I admitted that. You never concede, never apologize, never admit when you've made an error. You post many unkind sentiments, and we all should just give you a pass because well...''it's just the way Syne is.''

Maybe you should practice what you preach.

So whataboutism, huh? I've never called anyone stupid, and not standing up for yourself is objectively spineless. And somehow you manage to never read the things MR posts that incite a rebuttal in kind. What a rose-colored world you must live in. I've also never admitted to getting it wrong and then not apologize, just out of spite. That makes you a hypocrite...that you know you messed up and refuse to apologize, even though that's the standard you clearly expect of others. See, I don't really care if you apologize; I'm just testing your character...and it is found lacking. I have apologized before, but like MR's hateful posts, you're blind to them. So get off your high horse before you hurt yourself. Dodgy
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#32
Seattle Offline
(Aug 8, 2019 02:49 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Aug 8, 2019 01:33 AM)Leigha Wrote:
(Aug 8, 2019 12:45 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Aug 7, 2019 11:20 PM)Leigha Wrote: That said, how you're seemingly defending a site that incites racial tension (at the very least) and hatred towards women (at the very least), speaks about your character, not mine.

I don't know anything about the site. I'm just talking about free speech, legal "platform" protections, and the disconnect between censoring and not informing law enforcement. You're projecting all the rest, deary.
Okay, I see. You're speaking in generalities. I'd agree with you, then. In this particular case, I do think it's long overdue to have 8chan deactivated, dismantled...whatever the case. There's no projecting, it was a misunderstanding.

It happens.

Maybe you shouldn't start in on the character assassination until you're sure you understand. Or be big enough to actually offer an apology for it, now that you realize the mistake. Saying "it happens" just seems to be a way for you sidestep it without acknowledging how nasty you were being. Own it.
Priceless! Have you ever responded to someone that you disagreed with, without calling them a name?
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#33
Leigha Offline
Hmm. In rereading Post #21, seems like you were defending the likes of 8chan (and attacking me for no reason). That's what the thread is about - 8chan. Any site that resembles 8chan, is indefensible. Maybe I didn't misunderstand, after all.  Blush
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#34
billvon Offline
(Aug 8, 2019 04:08 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Aug 8, 2019 03:04 AM)Leigha Wrote:
(Aug 8, 2019 02:49 AM)Syne Wrote: Maybe you shouldn't start in on the character assassination until you're sure you understand. Or be big enough to actually offer an apology for it, now that you realize the mistake. Saying "it happens" just seems to be a way for you sidestep it without acknowledging how nasty you were being. Own it.
Like you apologize for all of the hurtful things you say to people on here? You've been attacking people on here for a very long time, including newbies to this site, for no reason. Calling people spineless and stupid, and so on. All of the horrible offensive things you have posted towards MR. Not one apology do you offer. And you turn around telling me that SF has changed me lol Meanwhile, today was a genuine misunderstanding and I admitted that. You never concede, never apologize, never admit when you've made an error. You post many unkind sentiments, and we all should just give you a pass because well...''it's just the way Syne is.''

Maybe you should practice what you preach.

So whataboutism, huh? I've never called anyone stupid, and not standing up for yourself is objectively spineless. And somehow you manage to never read the things MR posts that incite a rebuttal in kind. What a rose-colored world you must live in. I've also never admitted to getting it wrong and then not apologize, just out of spite. That makes you a hypocrite...that you know you messed up and refuse to apologize, even though that's the standard you clearly expect of others. See, I don't really care if you apologize; I'm just testing your character...and it is found lacking. I have apologized before, but like MR's hateful posts, you're blind to them. So get off your high horse before you hurt yourself.  Dodgy
So to sum up your post:

You don't do character assassination like Wegs does.
You claim Wegs is a spineless hypocrite who lives in a rose-colored world.  And is lacking in character.  And is haughty and condescending.

OK then.  I imagine all that makes sense to you.

Why not join 8chan?  It looks like you'd be far happier there than on a science forum.  They're more your type.
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#35
confused2 Offline
@billvon - since you are passing - [another forum and another day] you are not who I thought you were - sorry.

It looks bad having psychos strutting their stuff in the town square - regardless of morality or anything else they have to be driven out into the less well lit parts of town. I would guess (hope) some kind of AI program can track individuals across the internet. Sentence structure. Sentence content. Time of posting, time of not posting. Not much intelligence required - just masses and masses of data.
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#36
Leigha Offline
I agree, confused. I think we're getting there. The problem with 8chan is that there are some reputable tech companies willing to float them. It's just crazy.
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#37
Syne Offline
(Aug 8, 2019 04:46 AM)Leigha Wrote: Hmm. In rereading Post #21, seems like you were defending the likes of 8chan (and attacking me for no reason). That's what the thread is about - 8chan. Any site that resembles 8chan, is indefensible. Maybe I didn't misunderstand, after all.  Blush

Post #21:
(Aug 7, 2019 10:58 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Aug 7, 2019 03:43 PM)Leigha Wrote: I think it's a slow fade, though. People like the El Paso or Parkland shooters don't start right out of the gate, posting their reckless ideas of violence. It probably starts with hate speech involving extreme racism or misogyny perhaps, and then it builds from there. Where should we start drawing lines? If a site/forum is designed with the intent to incite violence (of course, the site owners will feign ignorance) then they should be deactivated. I'm not familiar with the format of 8chan, or the content - but from what I've been reading, it's known as the ''cesspool of hate.''
Without evidence, it's only your assumption of who intends to incite violence, and your straw man that anyone feigns ignorance. I haven't seen any studies that show that having an outlet for maladjusted feelings facilitates escalating to violence, without a genuine attempt to recruit/radicalize by others. The mentally ill do, on the other hand, have a propensity to escalate when they feel persecuted.

So where did I mention 8chan? And where did I attack you? Calling out a straw man is not an attack; it's just intellectually honest discussion. And even you were talking in generalities: "a site/forum, not "the site/forum". And you only said you weren't familiar with 8chan...an admission that you didn't have evidence for your straw man.

And this is a very sad attempt to cover for your hypocrisy of refusing to live up to your own standards.



(Aug 8, 2019 09:15 PM)billvon Wrote:
(Aug 8, 2019 04:08 AM)Syne Wrote: So whataboutism, huh? I've never called anyone stupid, and not standing up for yourself is objectively spineless. And somehow you manage to never read the things MR posts that incite a rebuttal in kind. What a rose-colored world you must live in. I've also never admitted to getting it wrong and then not apologize, just out of spite. That makes you a hypocrite...that you know you messed up and refuse to apologize, even though that's the standard you clearly expect of others. See, I don't really care if you apologize; I'm just testing your character...and it is found lacking. I have apologized before, but like MR's hateful posts, you're blind to them. So get off your high horse before you hurt yourself.  Dodgy
So to sum up your post:

You don't do character assassination like Wegs does.
You claim Wegs is a spineless hypocrite who lives in a rose-colored world.  And is lacking in character.  And is haughty and condescending.

OK then.  I imagine all that makes sense to you.

Why not join 8chan?  It looks like you'd be far happier there than on a science forum.  They're more your type.

Yes, where have I said Leigha was a bad person? "Lacking", due to hypocrisy, is very far from saying someone is defending hateful ideologies.
No, the spineless comment was not about Leigha.
Yes, I always feel free to give as good as I get...after she already attacked my character.

It's all there for the unbiased to see.

No, I'm not the boogeyman caricature you imagine. I'm usually the one citing the science most around here...like what science defines as human life, the factual biological difference between the sexes, etc.
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#38
Leigha Offline
Why would anyone post “without evidence” regarding a site that had the El Paso shooter as an active member? That’s evidence.

That could be construed as defending such a site.
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#39
Syne Offline
(Aug 9, 2019 01:28 AM)Leigha Wrote: Why would anyone post “without evidence” regarding a site that had the El Paso shooter as an active member? That’s evidence.

That could be construed as defending such a site.

Again, you're misconstruing something said about sites in general. You need to learn how to read what is written, instead of making it up to suit your ad hominems. So how many of the behaviors you criticized me for do you plan to hypocritically enact yourself? O_o

You know, all these attacks, ganging up, and characterizing people as being like or defending a mass shooter could be construed as inciting violence. But, no doubt, you will feign ignorance. Dodgy
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#40
Leigha Offline
I can’t do this with you anymore, Syne. Think as you wish.
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