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No ‘gay gene’ & no ‘straight gene’. Sexuality is just complex, study confirms

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Syne Offline
(Aug 31, 2019 03:36 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:You can't judge someone as "weak or foolish or selfish or undisciplined" for behavior they have no conscious choice in.

If it's caused by behavior it certainly can be caused by something they have a choice in. And that's really all you needed--that sliver of an allowance to retain blame and stigmatizing as your go to tactic for attacking people's sexual orientation or mental illness. Because as everyone knows, that's just the kind of slimeball you are.

Wow. Now you've gone from erecting it as a straw man, to demonize me, to actually defending the notion that all behavior is a choice and warrants blame. Look up the definition of "behavior", dumbass. It doesn't include conscious choice. It is simply the action or response.

Is there a down side for classifying all behavior as choice, at least to a child’s face? Maybe. By using the term in a child who repeatedly misbehaves, it conveys the message that they really should be able to stop. Ironically, the labelling of specific behaviors as choices could lead to a child feeling even more defective.
- https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...rect-right


You're the piece of shit who keeps making derogatory claims you haven't and can't support. Just because you predict some future argument in your hatred-fueled imagination does not justify demonizing people who have not made such an argument. You're arguing with your own internal demon.
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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:Is there a down side for classifying all behavior as choice, at least to a child’s face? Maybe. By using the term in a child who repeatedly misbehaves, it conveys the message that they really should be able to stop. Ironically, the labelling of specific behaviors as choices could lead to a child feeling even more defective.
- https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...rect-right

That's exactly what you want. To make people feel ashamed or stigmatized because of their sexual orientation or mental illness. It's second nature to you to delight in causing pain and misery in other people who are different from you. Hence your it's all behavior and environment delusion, as if people bring all these issues on themselves and deserve them. You're as transparent as glass Syne. I've known you too long to let you get away with this shit. Fess up. This is your chance. You can't change what you don't acknowledge.
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Syne Offline
(Aug 31, 2019 06:24 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Is there a down side for classifying all behavior as choice, at least to a child’s face? Maybe. By using the term in a child who repeatedly misbehaves, it conveys the message that they really should be able to stop. Ironically, the labelling of specific behaviors as choices could lead to a child feeling even more defective.
- https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...rect-right

That's exactly what you want. To make people feel ashamed or stigmatized because of their sexual orientation or mental illness. It's second nature to you to delight in causing pain and misery in other people who are different from you. Hence your it's all behavior and environment delusion, as if people bring all these issues on themselves and deserve them. You're as transparent as glass Syne. I've known you too long to let you get away with this shit. Fess up. This is your chance. You can't change what you don't acknowledge.

No, I quoted that to show you that YOUR insistence that all behavior is chosen is, itself, harmful. And instead of taking that on board, you're just continuing your little hatred-fueled projection. Aside from the fact that environmental causes do not play into your little straw man that people can be blamed for their mental illness. I mean, what part of abuse or environmental contaminants do you imagine could possibly be the individual's fault? None, because you're over your skis on your "behavior" (which you still don't know the actual definition of) straw man and don't know how to reel it in enough that it makes any sense along side my inclusion of environment...much less me never excluding some genetic influence.

You're a hateful and lying piece of shit. If you could support any of your lies, you'd have something, anything, that you could directly quote to support your nonsense. You're just down the rabbit hole of your own persecution complex and indulging in your own paranoiac fantasies. There is no boogeyman here other than the one you're arguing in your own head. Seriously, seek help.
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Leigha Offline
I wonder why we care so much about others’ sexual preferences. As long as one’s sexual encounters are between consenting adults, why do we care so much about what others do in the bedroom? I think this is an interesting study but then another “study” will come out to refute this study. Just seems like a lot of unnecessary debate over something that is a private thing. Why aren’t there studies done as to why heterosexuals commit adultery or become addicted to porn? Seems like we as humans, have an obsession with trying to figure out what makes gay people tick - as if it’s abhorrent behavior that we need to analyze and “fix.”

I don’t know... *shrug*
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Syne Offline
(Aug 31, 2019 05:19 PM)Leigha Wrote: I wonder why we care so much about others’ sexual preferences. As long as one’s sexual encounters are between consenting adults, why do we care so much about what others do in the bedroom? I think this is an interesting study but then another “study” will come out to refute this study. Just seems like a lot of unnecessary debate over something that is a private thing. Why aren’t there studies done as to why heterosexuals commit adultery or become addicted to porn? Seems like we as humans, have an obsession with trying to figure out what makes gay people tick - as if it’s abhorrent behavior that we need to analyze and “fix.”

I don’t know... *shrug*
Ahem.

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And maybe you missed where the OP was also talking about a "straight gene".


I'm more interested in comorbidity, as what makes people tick, gay or otherwise, isn't really much of a mystery.
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#16
Leigha Offline
Thanks, Syne...balance is good, because it seems anyway, like many discussions are around what ''causes'' homosexuality.

Interesting reading.
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Syne Offline
(Aug 31, 2019 06:18 PM)Leigha Wrote: Thanks, Syne...balance is good, because it seems anyway, like many discussions are around what ''causes'' homosexuality.

Interesting reading.

It's not surprising that science and people in general are more interested in anomalies. It's like MR and ghosts. If they weren't anomalies, they wouldn't be half as interesting.
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#18
Leigha Offline
I don't know though if I've ever considered homosexuality to be an ''anomaly.'' Hmm.
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#19
Syne Offline
(Aug 31, 2019 08:03 PM)Leigha Wrote: I don't know though if I've ever considered homosexuality to be an ''anomaly.'' Hmm.

Americans Still Greatly Overestimate U.S. Gay Population
U.S. adults estimate that nearly one in four Americans (23.6%) are gay or lesbian.
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Americans' estimate of the proportion of gay people in the U.S. is more than five times Gallup's more encompassing 2017 estimate that 4.5% of Americans are LGBT, based on respondents' self-identification as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.
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U.S. women estimate that about three in 10 Americans (29.7%) are gay or lesbian -- the highest of any key subgroup, and much higher than men's perceptions (17.4%).
- https://news.gallup.com/poll/259571/amer...ation.aspx


4.5% is an anomaly.
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#20
Magical Realist Offline
Quote:I don't know though if I've ever considered homosexuality to be an ''anomaly.'' Hmm.

It's not necessarily a bad thing. Being a genius or really beautiful is an anomaly too.
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