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Syne
Aug 9, 2019 04:30 AM
IOW, you'll lie to justify your character attacks, even though you hypocritically criticize others for theirs. Just like MR complaining about ad hominems and name-calling when he always instigates it. It's making others guilty of something, after the fact, to justify your own misbehavior. I'm sure these mass shooters had similar sorts of excuses for how their actions were really justly deserved...just giving what they got, even though their own hate preceded any perceived wrongs of others.
By all means, don't bother with me. But maybe find a mirror on occasion. There lies your real problem.
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billvon
Aug 9, 2019 04:33 AM
I don't think you're a "boogeyman" at all. Just a mean hypocrite. But if that floats your boat . . .
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Yazata
Aug 9, 2019 09:18 PM
(This post was last modified: Aug 10, 2019 12:00 AM by Yazata.)
(Aug 6, 2019 10:34 PM)Leigha Wrote: I'm not at all familiar with 8chan, but it's hard to believe that reputable tech companies would wish to have anything to do with it, especially in light of the recent mass shootings.
"Reputable tech companies" sounds like an oxymoron.
Cloudflare, 8chan's former web host and DNS service is the world's second largest web-hosting service. It's also a complete piece of work, seemingly still living back in the 1990's when the internet was perceived by many kids as a dangerously alternative place that their parents knew nothing about. Remember the connotations that the phrase "cyber culture" once had?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare
Despite wrapping themselves in self-righteousness about trying to throw 8chan off the internet, Cloudflare simultaneously tries to wrap itself in the flag of absolute freedom of speech. That leads to some real hypocrisy.
They had no problem protecting 'LulzSec's' website from attack.
From the Wikipedia article:
"Cloudflare has come under pressure on multiple occasions due to its ironclad policy on free speech, refusing to cease technical support (DNS routing, DDOS mitigation etc) or websites such as LulzSec..."
Except as we've just seen with 8chan, it is a rather flexible definition of "ironclad". If a website is perceived as being left-alternative or hostile to the established system or anything that subverts "the man", that site can apparently do anything it likes and Cloudflare will host it and protect it. But... if it's politically incorrect, if it violates the sensibilities of Cloudflare's black-clad hipster-glasses and goatee wearing alternative San Francisco founders and staff, then free-speech apparently doesn't apply any longer.
More examples of Cloudflare's seemingly elastic moral scruples, from Wikipedia again:
"According to the Huffington Post, Cloudflare provides services to "at least 7 terrorist groups", as designated by the United States Department of State. According to the article Cloudflare provides services to the Taliban, Hamas and al-Quds Brigades among others..."
"Two of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant's top three online chat forums are guarded by Cloudflare..."
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Leigha
Aug 9, 2019 10:10 PM
(Aug 9, 2019 09:18 PM)Yazata Wrote: (Aug 6, 2019 10:34 PM)Leigha Wrote: I'm not at all familiar with 8chan, but it's hard to believe that reputable tech companies would wish to have anything to do with it, especially in light of the recent mass shootings.
"Reputable tech companies" sounds like an oxymoron.
Cloudflare, 8chan's former web host and DNS service is the world's second largest web-hosting service. It's also a complete piece of work, seemingly still living back in the 1990's when the internet was perceived by many kids as a dangerously alternative place that their parents knew nothing about. Remember the connotations that the phrase "cyber culture" once had?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudflare
Despite wrapping themselves in self-righteousness about trying to throw 8chan off the internet, Cloudfront simultaneously tries to wrap itself in the flag of absolute freedom of speech. That leads to some real hypocrisy.
They had no problem protecting 'LulzSec's' website from attack.
From the Wikipedia article:
"Cloudflare has come under pressure on multiple occasions due to its ironclad policy on free speech, refusing to cease technical support (DNS routing, DDOS mitigation etc) or websites such as LulzSec..."
Except as we've just seen with 8chan, it is a rather flexible definition of "ironclad". If a website is perceived as being left-alternative or hostile to the established system or anything that subverts "the man", that site can apparently do anything it likes and Cloudflare will host it and protect it. But... if it's politically incorrect, if it violates the sensibilities of Cloudflare's black-clad hipster-glasses and goatee wearing alternative San Francisco founders and staff, then free-speech apparently doesn't apply any longer.
More examples of Cloudflare's seemingly elastic moral scruples, from Wikipedia again:
"According to the Huffington Post, Cloudflare provides services to "at least 7 terrorist groups", as designated by the United States Department of State. According to the article Cloudflare provides services to the Taliban, Hamas and al-Quds Brigades among others..."
"Two of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant's top three online chat forums are guarded by Cloudflare..." Wow, there is a lot to learn, here. Terrorist groups? Sometimes, I feel like so naive. 
When terrible things happen, they bring to light problems in the system. It's unfortunate that terrible things have to transpire in order for a light to be shined upon the likes of 8chan and other sites that profit off its members encouraging racial tension and violence. It's one of those things though, reddit could easily be seen as potentially dangerous, too. Where do we draw the line between free speech and shutting down a site that allows it to go too far? What is too far? When a violent act occurs? 8chan would still be up and running if the El Paso massacre didn't happen. Reminds me of stalking laws, and how it took people being attacked or killed by their stalkers, for the laws to finally change. We're such a reactive society.
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Syne
Aug 9, 2019 10:36 PM
(Aug 9, 2019 04:33 AM)billvon Wrote: I don't think you're a "boogeyman" at all. Just a mean hypocrite. But if that floats your boat . . .
So we're just suppose to take you word for your ad hominems, huh? O_o
Not going to bother actually quoting anything specific. 
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Yazata
Aug 10, 2019 12:22 AM
(Aug 6, 2019 11:36 PM)Syne Wrote: Actually, they should allow it. That way law enforcement knows the best places to monitor for warning signs. Otherwise it disappears back into the shadows and strikes without any notice.
That's my guess why the Justice Department and Homeland Security continue to allow things like Cloudflare to host terrorist websites. So it's out in the open and easy to monitor and track.
If it's driven underground it won't go away, it will just end up on encrypted networks like Tor on the Dark Web.
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Syne
Aug 10, 2019 12:39 AM
(Aug 10, 2019 12:22 AM)Yazata Wrote: (Aug 6, 2019 11:36 PM)Syne Wrote: Actually, they should allow it. That way law enforcement knows the best places to monitor for warning signs. Otherwise it disappears back into the shadows and strikes without any notice.
That's my guess why the Justice Department and Homeland Security continue to allow things like Cloudflare to host terrorist websites. So it's out in the open and easy to monitor and track.
If it's driven underground it won't go away, it will just end up on encrypted networks like Tor on the Dark Web.
Exactly. Let's moralize ourselves out of easily accessible intel. We won't be able to thwart as many violent plots, but we'll be able to feel good that we shamed businesses into driving the undesirables from the public square. Out of sight, out of mind. 
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