Trump lashes out at Fox News over latest poll

[confused2]

Then you haven't been paying attention. I've criticized Trump, am not an avid defender, and didn't vote for him. You've fallen prey to your own narrow stereotypes of conservatives. Maybe you should get to know a few in real life, instead of believing everything the media tells you.

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-7402-p...l#pid30507

Don't celebrate yet. I will be voting for him [Trump] next time.

Wow! What a difference a day makes. (Must get round to that thread about sarcasm and stuff like that in the near future.)

[Syne]

Then you haven't been paying attention. I've criticized Trump, am not an avid defender, and didn't vote for him. You've fallen prey to your own narrow stereotypes of conservatives. Maybe you should get to know a few in real life, instead of believing everything the media tells you.

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-7402-p...l#pid30507

Don't celebrate yet. I will be voting for him [Trump] next time.

Wow! What a difference a day makes. (Must get round to that thread about sarcasm and stuff like that in the near future.)

Not much of a difference and not a day (three years). I still criticize Trump, don't defend everything he does, and will vote for him because he's proven his largely conservative agenda. But go ahead and deflect from your narrow-minded stereotyping.

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And? Like Pontius Pilate, the Bible doesn't say god can only use believers. Do you think god used Pilate to accomplish a greater good? Yes or no?

I believe that if bad choices are made, God can work all things for good. Pilate had ''free will,'' just like you and I have free will.

So you admit god can do good through even Trump? After all, Pilate sentenced Jesus to death. What has Trump done that you would have the gall to say is as bad or worse than that? O_o

Do you think that Trump is bringing about a greater good for society? Have you been following the debates, Syne? If you were forced to choose one of the Democratic candidates - who would you choose?

Yes, in multiple ways. 1) He voices the majority opinion of the leftist mainstream news, and doesn't let them get away with the blatant propaganda they have for years. 2) Investor confidence boosting the economy, which includes record low minority unemployment. 3) Enforcing existing immigration law, and stemming the flow of people often taken advantage of, both on the way and once here.

All the Democrat candidates are fighting to see who can be the most extreme leftist. I'd choose a wacky independent first.
I wouldn't vote for him, but I have some respect for Yang. At least he had the balls for a Ben Shapiro interview.

[Leigha]

Then you haven't been paying attention. I've criticized Trump, am not an avid defender, and didn't vote for him. You've fallen prey to your own narrow stereotypes of conservatives. Maybe you should get to know a few in real life, instead of believing everything the media tells you.

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-7402-p...l#pid30507

Don't celebrate yet. I will be voting for him [Trump] next time.

Wow! What a difference a day makes. (Must get round to that thread about sarcasm and stuff like that in the near future.)

Not much of a difference and not a day (three years). I still criticize Trump, don't defend everything he does, and will vote for him because he's proven his largely conservative agenda. But go ahead and deflect from your narrow-minded stereotyping.

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And? Like Pontius Pilate, the Bible doesn't say god can only use believers. Do you think god used Pilate to accomplish a greater good? Yes or no?

I believe that if bad choices are made, God can work all things for good. Pilate had ''free will,'' just like you and I have free will.

So you admit god can do good through even Trump? After all, Pilate sentenced Jesus to death. What has Trump done that you would have the gall to say is as bad or worse than that? O_o

Do you think that Trump is bringing about a greater good for society? Have you been following the debates, Syne? If you were forced to choose one of the Democratic candidates - who would you choose?

Yes, in multiple ways. 1) He voices the majority opinion of the leftist mainstream news, and doesn't let them get away with the blatant propaganda they have for years. 2) Investor confidence boosting the economy, which includes record low minority unemployment. 3) Enforcing existing immigration law, and stemming the flow of people often taken advantage of, both on the way and once here.

All the Democrat candidates are fighting to see who can be the most extreme leftist. I'd choose a wacky independent first.
I wouldn't vote for him, but I have some respect for Yang. At least he had the balls for a Ben Shapiro interview.

I didn't say that Trump is worse than Pilate. lol Please don't put words in my mouth. 

In my opinion, God can do all things, but I'm not sure that Trump is part of God's plan, or man's plan. God's plan will always prevail however, so time will tell. Just like Pilate caved to the pressure of the mob calling for Jesus to be executed, for example...he was unaware of the ''grander plan.'' God brought about a good from that wrong. Maybe we're splitting hairs and essentially saying the same thing (?), but that's my view.

I like Yang, too - after tonight's debates, I find myself gravitating towards Tulsi Gabbard.

[Seattle]

Then you haven't been paying attention. I've criticized Trump, am not an avid defender, and didn't vote for him. You've fallen prey to your own narrow stereotypes of conservatives. Maybe you should get to know a few in real life, instead of believing everything the media tells you.

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-7402-p...l#pid30507

Don't celebrate yet. I will be voting for him [Trump] next time.

Wow! What a difference a day makes. (Must get round to that thread about sarcasm and stuff like that in the near future.)

Not much of a difference and not a day (three years). I still criticize Trump, don't defend everything he does, and will vote for him because he's proven his largely conservative agenda. But go ahead and deflect from your narrow-minded stereotyping.

---

And? Like Pontius Pilate, the Bible doesn't say god can only use believers. Do you think god used Pilate to accomplish a greater good? Yes or no?

I believe that if bad choices are made, God can work all things for good. Pilate had ''free will,'' just like you and I have free will.

So you admit god can do good through even Trump? After all, Pilate sentenced Jesus to death. What has Trump done that you would have the gall to say is as bad or worse than that? O_o

Do you think that Trump is bringing about a greater good for society? Have you been following the debates, Syne? If you were forced to choose one of the Democratic candidates - who would you choose?

Yes, in multiple ways. 1) He voices the majority opinion of the leftist mainstream news, and doesn't let them get away with the blatant propaganda they have for years. 2) Investor confidence boosting the economy, which includes record low minority unemployment. 3) Enforcing existing immigration law, and stemming the flow of people often taken advantage of, both on the way and once here.

All the Democrat candidates are fighting to see who can be the most extreme leftist. I'd choose a wacky independent first.
I wouldn't vote for him, but I have some respect for Yang. At least he had the balls for a Ben Shapiro interview.

It doesn't take "balls" to agree to be interviewed by Ben Shapiro (or anyone else). I agree that Trump has no balls and doesn't want to stray far from Fox and Friends but the bar for having balls is set pretty low if you think sitting for an interview requires them.

[Syne]

So you admit god can do good through even Trump? After all, Pilate sentenced Jesus to death. What has Trump done that you would have the gall to say is as bad or worse than that? O_o

I didn't say that Trump is worse than Pilate. lol Please don't put words in my mouth. 

In my opinion, God can do all things, but I'm not sure that Trump is part of God's plan, or man's plan. God's plan will always prevail however, so time will tell. Just like Pilate caved to the pressure of the mob calling for Jesus to be executed, for example...he was unaware of the ''grander plan.'' God brought about a good from that wrong. Maybe we're splitting hairs and essentially saying the same thing (?), but that's my view.

Not putting words in your mouth, deary. It was a question....that you avoided answering by playing/getting offended.

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I wouldn't vote for him, but I have some respect for Yang. At least he had the balls for a Ben Shapiro interview.

It doesn't take "balls" to agree to be interviewed by Ben Shapiro (or anyone else).

He's the only democrat I can remember willing to go on an overly conservative show. So for democrats anyway, it does seem to take an extra something.

[Leigha]

I'm not offended, Syne.

[Syne]

I'm not offended, Syne.

Did you answer the question? Or does comparing Trump favorably to anyone run the risk of you losing some allies?

[Leigha]

I'm not offended, Syne.

Did you answer the question? Or does comparing Trump favorably to anyone run the risk of you losing some allies?

I may have stated this on SF, but I like Trump's ideas on foreign policy, and the economy is doing seemingly well. Not 100% sure if that's due to his administration or not, so I say ...seemingly. I don't respect Trump as a person, though. 

lol I don't have allies. This is just the internet, Syne. 

I will say to you, be careful about your allegiances, as well. I'm sometimes surprised by guys especially, who come off as principled, yet turn a blind eye to Trump's unprincipled behaviors. Defending him at all costs, sometimes. Not everything is ''fake news,'' or media embellishment. Trump is a narcissistic jerk.

[RainbowUnicorn]

Biden is looking pretty good
if some swing states start to talk him up then he will surely roll swing voters if the dems come out to turn up and vote.

if the dems get behind Biden like him or not and keep a steady focus, Biden then presses the flesh in the rural farm areas promising to help them get on and start making money again and increasing exports and increasing jobs.
selling the senior statesmen middle of the road well balanced polite business leader...
it will be all over for the republicans as they have not produced any real tangible benefits to their rural business people.


he is believable to
has the sensible senior father figure thing going for him. just what the republicans have been crying out for.

the average republican knows Biden is the man for the job and possibly the only one they think can do it.

[Yazata]

Trump attacks anything he doesn't like, regardless of the source

I think that President Trump will attack anyone that he thinks is attacking him. He returns fire and I like that. It's time that the rest of us stop being the radical-left's punching-bags.   

although I do assume it's because he is insecure or an obsessive self-promoter.

I would prefer not to get into amateur psychoanalysis. The reason why I voted for Trump in 2016 and why I intend to vote for him in 2020 (provided that somebody better doesn't appear) isn't his personality, it's because I agree with him on most of the issues. In fact, Trump is the first Presidential candidate in recent memory that actually spoke to my issues and concerns. Obama didn't, Romney didn't, McCain didn't, GW Bush didn't, Kerry didn't, Gore didn't...

Trump's brilliance was recognizing that half the country was simply being ignored by the mainstream-media and the beltway elites. Trump spoke to those people and listened to them. And as a result he was elected President. It's what allowed him to peel off a big segment of the traditionally Democratic white lower-middle class and how he breached the Democrats' much-vaunted blue-wall and took the Midwest. Hillary didn't even campaign in many of those places and botched her message when she did.

Considering what polls said leading up to 2016 and the fact that he now has the highest approval rating of his presidency (on par with Obama leading up to his reelection), he probably doesn't need to worry.

That was Trump's point with Fox. In 2016 almost all of the media polls (including Fox's) showed Hillary with an almost certain lock on winning. Except... it didn't happen that way. So instead of admitting that their pollling methodology was faulty, most of the media leaped to the conclusion that the Russians had somehow... done something (nobody says exactly what). And the conspiracy-theory madness was off and running. With the CIA's John Brennan and the FBI's James Comey pulling strings behind the scenes to ensure that an investigation was started that hopefully would find something on Trump... anything... to bring him down.

And considering his recent strategy to get Pelosi who AOC had just called racist, to defend the extremists in her party...basically making them the face of the party, he may just be sly enough to capitalize on free publicity...

The Democratic Presidential candidates are doing that all by themselves. They all seem to feel that they can't win the Democratic primaries unless they appeal directly to the Democratic party activist base. So pretty much all of them talk as if America's biggest priorities need to be open borders, amnesty for illegals and normalizing transvestites. Trump's smart enough to see that while that kind of talk will receive ecstatic responses in LA, SF and NYC (places that would have gone Democratic anyway), it isn't going to play so well with socially conservative traditionally-Democratic white lower-middle-class voters in places like the Midwest.

Precisely the people who were the solid Democratic party voter base for more than a century, up until maybe 20 years ago. Now the base seems to be Hollywood celebrities, racial minorities, feminists, media and educational elites, government employees, environmental activists and a host of special-interest activist constituencies like that. It's a dramatic reorientation of the Democratic party away from what it historically was. So Democratic candidates juggle furiously to keep enough of the new constituencies happy and supporting them.

Obviously once one of the Democratic candidates wins the nomination, he or she will try to slide to the center and present him/herself as a reasonable moderate. But everything that they are saying now demonstrates that they aren't moderates at all.

So once again, Trump seems to be rope-a-doping his opponents, letting their own rhetoric be the basis of his own campaign. Their expressions of hatred for Trump, for his voters and for those voters' issues and concerns isn't going to persuade many of them to cross over and vote Democrat this time.