Random thoughts/comments

[Syne]

At no point was Floyd wearing a seat belt. Just more nonsense excuses from people who won't watch the video.

[confused2]

Actually this video

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/im-hon...i-BB1fw7Dm

[Secular Sanity]

George Floyd was foaming at the mouth, C2. I hope somebody does the right thing.

"Overdose causes foaming at the mouth because organs like the heart and lungs can’t function properly. Slowed heart or lung movements causes fluids to gather in the lungs, which can mix with carbon dioxide and come out of the mouth like a foam."

Foaming at the Mouth

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Actually this video

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/im-hon...i-BB1fw7Dm

It looks bad, but if you listen to the dispatcher on the radio, it was a felony traffic stop. They handled it properly.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-librar...hodologies

[confused2]

George Floyd was foaming at the mouth, C2. I hope somebody does the right thing.

"Overdose causes foaming at the mouth because organs like the heart and lungs can’t function properly. Slowed heart or lung movements causes fluids to gather in the lungs, which can mix with carbon dioxide and come out of the mouth like a foam."

Foaming at the Mouth

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Actually this video

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/im-hon...i-BB1fw7Dm

It looks bad, but if you listen to the dispatcher on the radio, it was a felony traffic stop. They handled it properly.

I'm not suggesting the cops involved should have paid any attention to any signs given by Floyd. What Wikipedia calls 'Positional asphyxia' is a well established technique. Minneapolis police (during Chauvin's time with the force) were unlucky enough to have to pay out over 3 million dollars in a high profile case.

In 2013, the family of 28-year-old David Smith successfully sued Minneapolis, Minnesota for $3.075 million, the "second-largest for police misconduct" in the city's history, when the Smith family's legal team—cited evidence from a Minneapolis police officer's body-worn camera (BWC) showing that the officers had used the "controversial" police technique called prone restraint to subdue Smith. According to a June 1, 2013 Star Tribune article, MPD officers had "forced Smith onto his stomach, then placed a knee in his back and held him down for about four minutes, which the family attorneys said made it impossible for him to breathe."

( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional...ce_custody )

Whether Chauvin used positional asphyxiation (and killed a man) in accordance with locally approved police practice or for reasons of his own is for the jury to decide.

[Syne]

Actually this video

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/im-hon...i-BB1fw7Dm

He had every opportunity to comply with orders. He could have opened the door with the outside handle and even asked the officer to cuff him and remove his seat belt...if he were that paranoid. Personally, I remove my seat belt as soon as I'm stopped, to access my ID.

I'm not suggesting the cops involved should have paid any attention to any signs given by Floyd. What Wikipedia calls 'Positional asphyxia' is a well established technique. Minneapolis police (during Chauvin's time with the force) were unlucky enough to have to pay out over 3 million dollars in a high profile case.
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Whether Chauvin used positional asphyxiation (and killed a man) in accordance with locally approved police practice or for reasons of his own is for the jury to decide.

Positional asphyxia is not a "technique". "Prone restraint" is not designed to cause positional asphyxia. Yes, prone restraint can be misused, and yes, other factors, like heart disease and overdose can lead to positional asphyxia. Chauvin did not block Floyd's nose and mouth, nor did he apply any pressure to Floyd's back/chest. You'll notice your wiki says "any type of restraint hold around the subject's neck". That's a choke hold, not a prone restraint.

Here's a demonstration of that same prone restraint, with a healthy subject:

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/O88knFix2fo

[confused2]

The clip about the US lieutenant being arrested was included by accident.
I think it works despite that.
He chose a well lit place to be arrested.
I could well be wrong but my guess is that a lieutenant in the US army far outranks the pair of baboons he was dealing with.

[Syne]

I could well be wrong but my guess is that a lieutenant in the US army far outranks the pair of baboons he was dealing with.

Civilian law enforcement has more authority on US soil.

[Secular Sanity]

The clip about the US lieutenant being arrested was included by accident.
I think it works despite that.
He chose a well lit place to be arrested.
I could well be wrong but my guess is that a lieutenant in the US army far outranks the pair of baboons he was dealing with.

It doesn't matter who it was. It was a felony stop. Do you think every cop is supposed to risk their lives even more than they already are? WTF?

Instead of saying, I have claustrophobia. I’m going to die in here, he should’ve told them the truth. He overdosed before and he knew something was wrong again. Most police officers carry Narcan.

[Syne]

It doesn't matter who it was. It was a felony stop. Do you think every cop is supposed to risk their lives even more than they already are? WTF?

Instead of saying, I have claustrophobia. I’m going to die in here, he should’ve told them the truth. He overdosed before and he knew something was wrong again. Most police officers carry Narcan.

Hear, hear.

[confused2]

FWIW I think I've probably seen mostly the evidence least favourable to Chauvin - in fairness I don't see him doing anything other than his job.