Family killed in cliff crash likely intentional

#31
The studies I cited proved homophobia and bullying and harassment are stressors that trigger depression and hence suicidality among LGBTs. And depression that is a reaction to environmental stressors isn't a mental disorder. It's triggered by events, not a biological or psychological dysfunction. A kid in school who is depressed because he is constantly bullied in school is not mentally ill. A LGBT who is depressed because they are harassed by coworkers is not mentally ill. A gay teen who is depressed because he has been taught that being gay is disgusting and sinful isn't mentally ill.

"A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning.."----
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...l-disorder
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#32
(Apr 4, 2018 12:53 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: The studies I cited proved homophobia and bullying and harassment are stressors that trigger depression and hence suicidality among LGBTs. And depression that is a reaction to environmental stressors isn't a mental disorder. It's triggered by events, not a biological or psychological dysfunction. A kid in school who is depressed because he is constantly bullied in school is not mentally ill. A LGBT who is depressed because they are harassed by coworkers is not mentally ill. A gay teen who is depressed because he has been taught that being gay is disgusting and sinful isn't mentally ill.

"A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning.."----
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...l-disorder

Somewhat akin to all that "concerned counseling" and disdain from society that might make today's philosophical solitudinarian or yesterday's mountain person feel guilty or depressed about their semi-reclusive lifestyle. Some people actually enjoy being alone or are mentally / proficiently compatible with it. If in the same situation as Will Forte's character in The Last Man On Earth, they'd be shouting hallelujah to have the world to themselves rather than going bonkers and talking to painted faces on sports-balls, and deciding to drive suicidally into a giant boulder at high speed. If for no other reason than not having the annoyance of a surrounding culture projecting the psychological vulnerabilities of its own conventional members upon them.

When You Start to Enjoy Being Alone, These 10 Things Will Happen
https://www.lifehack.org/articles/commun...appen.html

How I Learned to Enjoy Being Alone
https://www.success.com/blog/how-i-learn...eing-alone

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#33
(Apr 4, 2018 12:53 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: The studies I cited proved homophobia and bullying and harassment are stressors that trigger depression and hence suicidality among LGBTs. And depression that is a reaction to environmental stressors isn't a mental disorder. It's triggered by events, not a biological or psychological dysfunction. A kid in school who is depressed because he is constantly bullied in school is not mentally ill. A LGBT who is depressed because they are harassed by coworkers is not mentally ill. A gay teen who is depressed because he has been taught that being gay is disgusting and sinful isn't mentally ill.

"A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning.."----
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...l-disorder

If suicide isn't a "significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological...processes underlying mental functioning", I don't know what is. The brain of an organism primarily bent on survival seeking death is about as mentally ill as you can get.

Maybe the LGBT vulnerability is due to a lack of healthy coping mechanisms, considering how often they self-medicate with recreational substances (again, exacerbated by a denial of a need for help). Healthy coping mechanisms allow people to overcome just about anything without becoming depressed or suicidal. People do not react the same to the same stressors, and events/environments that are a catalyst for depression in some will not be in others. This is why they can only be linked by correlation, not causation.

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#34
Quote:If suicide isn't a "significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological...processes underlying mental functioning", I don't know what is. The brain of an organism primarily bent on survival seeking death is about as mentally ill as you can get.

There's no logic to stigmatizing a person for their sexual orientation either. What we see with depression and suicide among LGBTs is the natural consequence of the cultural disease of homophobia and heteronormative exclusivity. People will logically commit suicide if made to feel worthless and hated enough. Unless ofcourse they learn to define their own worth for themselves. Which by far more and more LGBTs are doing every day.

Quote:Maybe the LGBT vulnerability is due to a lack of healthy coping mechanisms

Seeing the vast majority of LGBTs don't commit suicide and carry on to become functioning members of society, I'd say their coping skills are quite extraordinary. especially considering the homophobia they've had to endure all their lives from scum like you. If you want to make sweeping generalizations about LGBTs, why don't you use their more common and much more prevalent behaviors instead of their outliers.
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(Apr 4, 2018 03:39 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:If suicide isn't a "significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological...processes underlying mental functioning", I don't know what is. The brain of an organism primarily bent on survival seeking death is about as mentally ill as you can get.

There's no logic to stigmatizing a person for their sexual orientation either. What we see with depression and suicide among LGBTs is the natural consequence of the cultural disease of homophobia and heteronormative exclusivity. People will logically commit suicide if made to feel worthless and hated enough. Unless ofcourse they learn to define their own worth for themselves.
So we agree that depression and suicide are mental illnesses. Good.
Homophobia on the other hand is not a mental illness, as it causes no distress in those who display it.

Ironically, labeling homophobia a mental disorder has something in common with the erroneous classification of homosexuality as a sickness prior to 1973. In both cases, a diagnostic label is used to stigmatize a disliked pattern of thought and behavior. Using the label misrepresents what really is a subjective value judgment as a scientific, empirically grounded conclusion.

Moreover, by equating psychopathology with evil, it also reinforces the stigma that historically has been attached to mental illness.
- https://herek.net/blog/is-homophobia-a-mental-illness/

People can only "be made to feel worthless" if their locus of identity and self-worth are largely and externally dependent. Your self-worth is your own responsibility. It's not something another can grant you.
Statistics do not stigmatize. They point to where help is desperately needed.
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Quote:Maybe the LGBT vulnerability is due to a lack of healthy coping mechanisms

Seeing the vast majority of LGBTs don't commit suicide and carry on to become functioning members of society, I'd say their coping skills are quite extraordinary. especially considering the homophobia they've had to endure all their lives from scum like you. If you want to make sweeping generalizations about LGBTs, why don't you use their more common and much more prevalent behaviors instead of their outliers.
A much smaller functioning majority than any other population. If you think my plea to help them is a bad thing, I guess that's where you're at.
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#36
Quote:Homophobia on the other hand is not a mental illness, as it causes no distress in those who display it.

Homophobia like I said is a cultural disease just as racism and anti-semitism and misogyny are. And the only cure is getting to know the people behind the hateful stereotypes you make of them. That's the only way you'll be cured, if you want to be.

Quote:People can only "be made to feel worthless" if their locus of identity and self-worth are largely and externally dependent. Your self-worth is your own responsibility. It's not something another can grant you.
Statistics do not stigmatize. They point to where help is desperately needed.

Most everyone derives their worth from society and people in their lives. Unless that society is antagonistic towards them. Which is why LGBTs tend to be survivors and pioneers in the art of finding self-worth and dignity in their own values. Like I said, by far most LGBTs live fulfilling and productive lives, refuting your lie that it is a mental illness. But ofcourse focusing on the outliers is how you propagate your homophobia, as if all LGBTs are weak and vulnerable. They are not. Far from it. Get to know some of them instead of projecting your own dysfunction on them.

Quote:A much smaller functioning majority than any other population.
But a vast majority nonetheless and one more representative of what being LGBT really is. I mean that's just basic math isn't it? You can't attribute mental illness to being gay when the vast majority of gay people aren't mentally ill.
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#37
(Apr 4, 2018 05:36 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Homophobia on the other hand is not a mental illness, as it causes no distress in those who display it.

Homophobia like I said is a cultural disease just as racism and anti-semitism and misogyny are. And the only cure is getting to know the people behind the hateful stereotypes you make of them. That's the only way you'll be cured, if you want to be.  
Knowing you doesn't help, since you're always so quick to spew your own hate. But I've posted articles about gay conservatives I have no problem with at all, being ostracized for their beliefs, by hateful gays like you. The difference usually tends to be that they don't require affirmation of their own self-worth from anyone else, in the form of overt societal approval or acceptance, even though they report more acceptance among conservatives than they do leftists and other gays.
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Quote:People can only "be made to feel worthless" if their locus of identity and self-worth are largely and externally dependent. Your self-worth is your own responsibility. It's not something another can grant you.
Statistics do not stigmatize. They point to where help is desperately needed.

Most everyone derives their self-worth from society and people in their lives. Unless that society is antagonistic towards them. Which is why LGBTs tend to be survivors and pioneers in the art of finding self-worth and dignity in their own values. Like I said, by far most LGBTs live fulfilling and productive lives, refuting your lie that it is a mental illness. But ofcourse focusing on the outliers is how you propagate your homophobia, as if all LGBTs are weak and vulnerable. They are not. Far from it. Get to know some of them instead of projecting your own dysfunction on them.
Maybe most everyone you associate with, but truly well-adjusted people aren't so dependent upon the opinions of others for their own self-value.
To be clear, you're the only one inferring homosexuality is, itself, a mental illness. I'm saying that high rates of depression, suicide, substance abuse, etc. are sure signs of mental illness. Focusing on statistics of a whole population is how their needs get addressed.
I'm not the one distressed.
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Quote:A much smaller functioning majority than any other population.
But a vast majority nonetheless and one more representative of what being LGBT really is. I'm mean that's just basic math isn't it? You can't ascribe mental illness to being gay when the vast majority of gay people aren't mentally ill.
When the results of ignoring the large minority can be the deaths of 7 innocent people, including 6 children, it is immoral to willfully ignore the problem.
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#38
I get a bit miffed about the term "Homophobic", mainly because I would suggest that technically I'm homophobic being heterosexual. To me however homophobia is no different than someone having arachnophobia or vertigo (agoraphobia).
I mean you can joke that when I see some hairy legs it makes my skin crawl, but to be honest I can talk to someone who's homosexual with no issues, I can be in the same room or the same car, that's not the issue. The concerns I had when younger (not so prevalent now) was if one made a pass at me or tried to touch me in a manner that I found inappropriate. Those were the concerns since I'm not attracted to men (beyond a platonic relationships.)

This doesn't mean I hate people that are that way incline, it doesn't mean I think they should be killed or injured or not have the lifestyle that suits them, it's just about my own personal preferences and the concerns that surround that.

Homophobia is often slurred like a derogative, however those that wish harm on others for their differences are just plain and simple haters. It would be nice if one day the difference between the terms and viewpoints were better understood, so you know that homophobia isn't a bad thing, hate is.
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#39
(Apr 4, 2018 01:24 PM)stryder Wrote: I get a bit miffed about the term "Homophobic", mainly because I would suggest that technically I'm homophobic being heterosexual.  To me however homophobia is no different than someone having arachnophobia or vertigo (agoraphobia).  
I mean you can joke that when I see some hairy legs it makes my skin crawl, but to be honest I can talk to someone who's homosexual with no issues, I can be in the same room or the same car, that's not the issue.  The concerns I had when younger (not so prevalent now) was if one made a pass at me or tried to touch me in a manner that I found inappropriate.  Those were the concerns since I'm not attracted to men (beyond a platonic relationships.)

This doesn't mean I hate people that are that way incline, it doesn't mean I think they should be killed or injured or not have the lifestyle that suits them, it's just about my own personal preferences and the concerns that surround that.

Homophobia is often slurred like a derogative, however those that wish harm on others for their differences are just plain and simple haters.  It would be nice if one day the difference between the terms and viewpoints were better understood, so you know that homophobia isn't a bad thing, hate is.

I suggest you acquaint yourself both with how the term homophobia is used nowadays as well as the many manifestations of it in our culture. This is a good overview of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

Quote:When the results of ignoring the large minority can be the deaths of 7 innocent people, including 6 children, it is immoral to willfully ignore the problem.

You're merely experiencing the natural exasperation of not being able to prevent a tragedy. That's part of living in a free world where people are allowed to move about freely and make their own decisions. Get used to it. We can't anticipate every incidence of mental breakdown or dysfunction in every family.

(Apr 4, 2018 02:12 AM)C C Wrote:
(Apr 4, 2018 12:53 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: The studies I cited proved homophobia and bullying and harassment are stressors that trigger depression and hence suicidality among LGBTs. And depression that is a reaction to environmental stressors isn't a mental disorder. It's triggered by events, not a biological or psychological dysfunction. A kid in school who is depressed because he is constantly bullied in school is not mentally ill. A LGBT who is depressed because they are harassed by coworkers is not mentally ill. A gay teen who is depressed because he has been taught that being gay is disgusting and sinful isn't mentally ill.

"A mental disorder is a syndrome characterized by clinically significant disturbance in an individual's cognition, emotion regulation, or behavior that reflects a dysfunction in the psychological, biological, or developmental processes underlying mental functioning.."----
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...l-disorder

Somewhat akin to all that "concerned counseling" and disdain from society that might make today's philosophical solitudinarian or yesterday's mountain person feel guilty or depressed about their semi-reclusive lifestyle. Some people actually enjoy being alone or are mentally / proficiently compatible with it. If in the same situation as Will Forte's character in The Last Man On Earth, they'd be shouting hallelujah to have the world to themselves rather than going bonkers and talking to painted faces on sports-balls, and deciding to drive suicidally into a giant boulder at high speed. If for no other reason than not having the annoyance of a surrounding culture projecting the psychological vulnerabilities of its own conventional members upon them.

When You Start to Enjoy Being Alone, These 10 Things Will Happen
https://www.lifehack.org/articles/commun...appen.html

How I Learned to Enjoy Being Alone
https://www.success.com/blog/how-i-learn...eing-alone

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I've observed that my own abnormal solitary lifestyle, which is enough to concern my VA nurse practitioner, would be totally normal if I lived in say the wilds of Alaska, where people tend to be loners and go for long months closed up inside without talking to other people. There appears to be a context where any currently diagnosed "mental pathology" can be seen as normal or at least quite practical.
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#40
I think that there's good reason to believe that the Mendocino coast crash was intentional. The California Highway Patrol increasingly think so.

The car had a 'black box' data recorder.  That indicates that the car had pulled off the highway at a dirt pull-off point above where it went off the cliff and was stopped there for a period. That's not unusual since travelers often do that in order to view and photograph the scenic coastline. But when the car was restarted, its driver reportedly stomped on the accelerator and steered towards the edge of the cliff.

The back-story is that one of the children in the 'family' had been going to a Washington state neighbor's house repeatedly complaining of hunger and asking for food. Then another of the children showed up at the neighbor's house begging for protection. The neighbor called Police who alerted state Child Protective Services. An investigation into possible child neglect or abuse was immediately opened on March 23. This sudden road trip to California began at about 8 AM on March 24 just hours after Police and Child Protective Services had first tried to contact the family in a welfare check the previous evening. The Police made two more subsequent visits, but the group was already gone.

It's now appearing that this wasn't the first time. They had pulled the kids from school in Minnesota and disppeared just a day after one of the women had plead guilty to child abuse allegations in that state for beating one of the girls. They resurfaced in Oregon where there was another child abuse case that prompted them to suddenly move to Washington State. Now this thing with Washington's Child Protective Services. It follows them around and a pattern starts to emerge.

So despite the facade of adopting kids from troubled backgrounds and giving them a loving home, the reality may have been less pleasant.  

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/818278...ighting-of
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