Identity crisis prompts gay suicide

[Syne]

LOL! I was just throwing out possible alternatives.

And you completely ignored that third one (you know the OP one) for some reason.

This is what you said:

"But Gandolfini doesn't actually use the term "crisis" himself. That's just how the article characterizes it. He actually calls it "identity discomfort"."

There is no such disorder anywhere on Google. You and your professor are making shit up. Why is this important to you...to label gay people with mental disorders? Is this something you do in your spare time, looking for excuses to call gay people crazy? Why is that Syne? Something dead and stinky in your closet you're hiding from the world? Something in you you need to separate yourself from like the plague?

Who said that was the proper name of a disorder? I gave you the proper terminology, but you compulsively ignored it.

Wait, are you implying that I'm a closeted gay? O_o

[Magical Realist]

Who said that was the proper name of a disorder?

You mean you and your professor couldn't even get the name of this alleged disorder right? I'm not much impressed. Perhaps you should study up more on it. What page of the DSM-5 would that be on? And where is there anything on it being related to LGBT youth and their risk for suicide?

[RainbowUnicorn]

https://www.thelocal.it/20150421/identit...in-surgeon

" Massimo Gandolfini, director of neuroscience and head of neurosurgery at the Poliambulanza Foundation in Brescia, made the comments while speaking at a meeting organized by Comitato Articolo 26, which campaigns against teaching children about gender and sexuality.

He pointed to the suicide rate in gay-friendly countries among homosexuals being high, despite those countries being more welcoming.

"It's said that suicides are higher because society isn't welcoming," he added.

"To debunk this lie, go and look at data from Belgium and Scandinavia. The incidence of suicide in these countries, which are gay-friendly, remains very high because beneath all of this is identity discomfort,” Gandolfini was quoted in L’Espresso as saying."


Yes, Suicide Is a Gay Issue

"I remember my first identity crisis. I hated being me practically my entire life. I hated being Italian-American practically my entire life.
...
I remember my second identity crisis. Later in life I would come to realize that my ethnicity is not the only aspect of my life that marginalizes me and makes me not “fit in.”"



San Francisco is arguably the most LGBT-accepting city in the US:
"The number of LGBT students in San Francisco middle and high schools who have attempted suicide — rates that for some groups near 50 percent — could grow unless intervention and early acceptance programs are increased, advocates say." - https://archives.sfexaminer.com/sanfranc...id=2461846

Even in some of the most LGBT-friendly countries in the world:
"Background: A growing body of research claims that sexual minority individuals have nearly twice the suicidal ideation rate of heterosexual individuals.
Method: The main objective of the current study was to test a model wherein internalized sexual stigma (ISS) mediates the association between some gay-related stressors and suicidal ideation. The present cross-sectional survey involved two samples of lesbian and gay young adults from Spain (N = 209) and Italy (N = 345). The total sample included 316 gay men and 228 lesbian women. Path analysis was used to test the direct and indirect (mediated) effects of the variables from different domains on repulsion by life.
Results: In both the Spanish and Italian samples, past victimization experiences and ISS had a significant direct effect on repulsion by life."
- http://www.psicothema.com/pdf/4219.pdf

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thats why you white children are not responsible.

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Who said that was the proper name of a disorder?

What page of the DSM-5 would that be on?

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[Syne]

Why is this important to you...to label gay people with mental disorders? Is this something you do in your spare time, looking for excuses to call gay people crazy? Why is that Syne? Something dead and stinky in your closet you're hiding from the world? Something in you you need to separate yourself from like the plague?

Seriously, can't you even own up to what you've said? Are you implying I'm a closeted gay?
If you have the nerve to say it once, have the balls to back it up.

Who said that was the proper name of a disorder?

You mean you and your professor couldn't even get the name of this alleged disorder right? I'm not much impressed. Perhaps you should study up more on it. What page of the DSM-5  would that be on? And where is there anything on it being related to LGBT youth and their risk for suicide?

Identity crisis isn't even a disorder, moron. Both identity crisis and discomfort are two different degrees of the same stage in natural personality development. Only identity diffusion portents a personality disorder. You seem to still be flogging your own straw man, regardless what anyone actually says. Why is that? Are you afraid it is a mental disorder? Quit projecting.

Since identity crisis/discomfort are mediated by the individual's relationship to their social environment, it has everything to do with more supportive social environments not providing the expected sense of support. But like I said, I'm more than willing to chalk that up to hypocritical liberal bigotry...without any significantly inherent mental illness.

Yes, Suicide Is a Gay Issue

"I remember my first identity crisis. I hated being me practically my entire life. I hated being Italian-American practically my entire life.
...
I remember my second identity crisis. Later in life I would come to realize that my ethnicity is not the only aspect of my life that marginalizes me and makes me not “fit in.”"

slavery is a black issue mmmmkay children
thats why you white children are not responsible.

Hey, if a black person said it, who am I to dispute their subjective perception?
That's an article by a gay author.

Considering the relative suicidality between men and women, I'd also say suicidal thoughts are a women's issue and successful suicide a men's issue.
Do you have any problem with either of those statements, or are you just a self-absorbed hypocrite? O_o

[Magical Realist]

Seriously, can't you even own up to what you've said? Are you implying I'm a closeted gay?
If you have the nerve to say it once, have the balls to back it up.

Yeah..I'm really scared of the whiny closet case that sits around all day looking for reasons to call gayness mental illness because he doesn't have the spine to accept his own orientation. Not even gay people obsess about gayness as much as you do. Why is that Syne? Straights don't have this overriding interest in this subject. In fact it's probably quite boring to them. But not you. You are constantly hunting down studies and articles to prove gayness is this terrible condition. One wonders what gives you such a huge stake in that enterprise. Why is this so important to you? Are you jealous and resentful of gay people having the courage to accept themselves that you could never muster? Or is this just a case of sour grapes.

[RainbowUnicorn]

Why is this important to you...to label gay people with mental disorders? Is this something you do in your spare time, looking for excuses to call gay people crazy? Why is that Syne? Something dead and stinky in your closet you're hiding from the world? Something in you you need to separate yourself from like the plague?

Seriously, can't you even own up to what you've said? Are you implying I'm a closeted gay?
If you have the nerve to say it once, have the balls to back it up.

Who said that was the proper name of a disorder?

You mean you and your professor couldn't even get the name of this alleged disorder right? I'm not much impressed. Perhaps you should study up more on it. What page of the DSM-5  would that be on? And where is there anything on it being related to LGBT youth and their risk for suicide?

Identity crisis isn't even a disorder, moron. Both identity crisis and discomfort are two different degrees of the same stage in natural personality development. Only identity diffusion portents a personality disorder. You seem to still be flogging your own straw man, regardless what anyone actually says. Why is that? Are you afraid it is a mental disorder? Quit projecting.

Since identity crisis/discomfort are mediated by the individual's relationship to their social environment, it has everything to do with more supportive social environments not providing the expected sense of support. But like I said, I'm more than willing to chalk that up to hypocritical liberal bigotry...without any significantly inherent mental illness.

Yes, Suicide Is a Gay Issue

"I remember my first identity crisis. I hated being me practically my entire life. I hated being Italian-American practically my entire life.
...
I remember my second identity crisis. Later in life I would come to realize that my ethnicity is not the only aspect of my life that marginalizes me and makes me not “fit in.”"

slavery is a black issue mmmmkay children
thats why you white children are not responsible.

Hey, if a black person said it, who am I to dispute their subjective perception?
That's an article by a gay author.

Considering the relative suicidality between men and women, I'd also say suicidal thoughts are a women's issue and successful suicide a men's issue.
Do you have any problem with either of those statements, or are you just a self-absorbed hypocrite? O_o

a Gay person called Athor said what ?

[Syne]

Seriously, can't you even own up to what you've said? Are you implying I'm a closeted gay?
If you have the nerve to say it once, have the balls to back it up.

Yeah..I'm really scared of the whiny closet case that sits around all day looking for reasons to call gayness mental illness because he doesn't have the spine to accept his own orientation. Not even gay people obsess about gayness as much as you do. Why is that Syne? Straights don't have this overriding interest in this subject. In fact it's probably quite boring to them. But not you. You are constantly hunting down studies and articles to prove gayness is this terrible condition. One wonders what gives you such a huge stake in that enterprise. Why is this so important to you? Are you jealous and resentful of gay people having the courage to accept themselves that you could never muster?

So if you're saying I'm really gay, what does that tell you about your own estimated correlation between being gay and mental illness? You leap to the presumption that someone is gay, on the purported evidence of "obsession" and assumptions of "jealousy" and "resentment". Are those clear indicators of gayness to you? O_o
Shouldn't you be more compassionate to a fellow gays? Aren't they born that way, even if they don't realize it? Nah, gays are just as vicious to other gays.

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“When I was 17 I decided to go gay clubbing in SoHo in London. I remember walking in and this gay guy turned to his mate and said something really nasty about me,” Sam said. “My whole world just crashed and I had a really lonely feeling. I knew then it was going to take a lot longer to be accepted. There’s a lot of homophobia and bullying in the gay community. There’s also a lot of body dysmorphia in the gay community, which means if you’re not toned and skinny it can be awful.” - Sam Smith

Gays are even a barrier to being accepted. I wonder if that has any bearing on suicide rates.


Aside from me saying "without any significantly inherent mental illness", you are the only one who has repeatedly brought up mental illness or characterized "gayness" as a "terrible condition" in this thread. Go look for yourself.

[Magical Realist]

So if you're saying I'm really gay, what does that tell you about your own estimated correlation between being gay and mental illness? You leap to the presumption that someone is gay, on the purported evidence of "obsession" and assumptions of "jealousy" and "resentment". Are those clear indicators of gayness to you? O_o
Shouldn't you be more compassionate to a fellow gays? Aren't they born that way, even if they don't realize it? Nah, gays are just as vicious to other gays.

It's not your being gay that's the problem. It's you trying to live in denial of it and hating other gays because of it. That's not a healthy outlook and you need to just accept your desires just like every other normal healthy person does. This is the only way you will be able to let go of your obsession with proving gays are mentally ill or oversensitive or vicious or whatever next awful trait you are going to make up about them.

Gays are even a barrier to being accepted. I wonder if that has any bearing on suicide rates.

That's how entrenched homophobia is. It's called internalized homophobia. Didn't you read the big article I posted on it?

[RainbowUnicorn]

So if you're saying I'm really gay, what does that tell you about your own estimated correlation between being gay and mental illness? You leap to the presumption that someone is gay, on the purported evidence of "obsession" and assumptions of "jealousy" and "resentment". Are those clear indicators of gayness to you? O_o
Shouldn't you be more compassionate to a fellow gays? Aren't they born that way, even if they don't realize it? Nah, gays are just as vicious to other gays.

It's not your being gay that's the problem. It's you trying to live in denial of it and hating other gays because of it. That's not a healthy outlook and you need to just accept your desires just like every other normal healthy person does. This is the only way you will be able to let go of your obsession with proving gays are mentally ill or oversensitive or vicious or whatever next awful trait you are going to make up about them.

Gays are even a barrier to being accepted. I wonder if that has any bearing on suicide rates.

That's how entrenched homophobia is. It's called internalized homophobia. Didn't you read the big article I posted on it?

syne
correlation between being gay and mental illness?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlatio...dependence

Correlation is any of a broad class of statistical relationships involving dependence, though in common usage it most often refers to how close two variables are to having a linear relationship with each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance

an investigator may conclude that the effect reflects the characteristics of the whole population,[1] thereby rejecting the null hypothesis.

[Syne]

So if you're saying I'm really gay, what does that tell you about your own estimated correlation between being gay and mental illness? You leap to the presumption that someone is gay, on the purported evidence of "obsession" and assumptions of "jealousy" and "resentment". Are those clear indicators of gayness to you? O_o
Shouldn't you be more compassionate to a fellow gays? Aren't they born that way, even if they don't realize it? Nah, gays are just as vicious to other gays.

It's not your being gay that's the problem. It's you trying to live in denial of it and hating other gays because of it. That's not a healthy outlook and you need to just accept your desires just like every other normal healthy person does. This is the only way you will be able to let go of your obsession with proving gays are mentally ill or oversensitive or vicious or whatever next awful trait you are going to make up about them.

Ah, but you infer gayness based on those traits. You assume denial, hate, and obsession (of your straw man) where none has been expressed, and infer from those being gay. Whether or not you think being gay is the problem, the fact that you so derive a presumption of being gay is telling. That, or it's evidence of your lascivious fantasies (hope I'm not getting you that worked up).

Again...Aside from me saying "without any significantly inherent mental illness", you are the only one who has repeatedly brought up mental illness or characterized "gayness" as a "terrible condition" in this thread. Go look for yourself. Is that some of your internalized homophobia?

Gays are even a barrier to being accepted. I wonder if that has any bearing on suicide rates.

That's how entrenched homophobia is. It's called internalized homophobia. Didn't you read the big article I posted on it?

Isn't that a considerable suicide factor in people looking to feel accepted and being rejected by their last, best hope?
Does internalized homophobia explain harsh rejection based solely on superficial attraction?
Or worse bullying than coming out in the first place?

The same maybe, but why worse? O_o