Okay, this Canadian MAID thing is even more insane than I thought.
Doing some quick googling, America has about 50k suicides a year (and every single one of those that used a gun to do it, Liberals (Canadian and American, because all libs are interchangeable, as they are liberals first, their nationality a distant second) gleefully and dishonestly count that as American gun crime.
Canada has about 5k regular non-government approved suicides a year.
We have a population of 348 million. They have 40 million. So the rate between those two is actually really really similar. The difference is basically statistical noise. (.00013 vs .00014)
HOWEVER. They used MAID on 16k people last year (and that number has been rising every year the program has existed). That bumps Canada up to .00041. From everything I can see in my two whole minutes of research, the Canadian stats do not conflate these two. So their actual total of annual suicides now is around 22k. Which is about half our total, even though we've got about 9 times their population.
Holy shit. That's DARK.
I had one weenie liberal Canadian say that America had it too, so I looked it up. 11 states (overwhelmingly blue, and see what I said about libs gonna lib regardless of country) have some kind of medical assisted dying law. But with another minute of cursory googling it looks like those are way different. There's a bunch of medical journal articles about how they're different.
It looks like in America you've got to be terminally ill and absolutely gonna die that year. In Canada, they'll offer to kill you if you're sad or your wheelchair is too expensive.
But to be fair, what's the number? Best article I can find from a bioethics journal puts the number at 9k. Not annually. Total. Since 1997. And interestingly enough it turns out all the states have a similar rate, and a part I found fascinating, they prescribe you a drug, but 1/3 of those who get it don't end up taking it and let nature take its course.
Canada you say you want nature to take its course, your caretaker goes naw, she's a pain to take care of, and the government goes yep, and she's expensive! And you're dead that afternoon.
(while typing this I just got a notification that my account is in trouble and they removed one of my comments to one of the Caring Liberal Canadians in the first thread for Bullying and Harassment. I kid you not. The timing is hilarious) ?
Here's something else we need to consider beyond the numbers, which is exceedingly fucking grim. We know suicide isn't something to celebrate or glorify. It's a fucking tragedy. You don't normalize it. When people consider it, you get them help. We get them to call the suicide prevention hotline and someone who cares tries to talk them down. When people off themselves the media don't talk about it much because they know for a fact that it will spur several more. Hell, this post is going to get throttled because I used no-no words because they think talking about it encourages it.
This is the fucking OPPOSITE. This is the government giving out helpful pamphlets telling sad people that they're expensive, so let's just make the world a better place by removing you from it. Then crowds of brainless vapid fucking moronic liberals coming out to bleat about how cruel it is for us to dislike governments culling the human liabilities from its balance sheet. They're death cultists. They aren't just normalizing suicide, they're cheer leading it.
(and while typing that paragraph I got my warning that I can't make calls or post in groups for a month because I caused a liberal Canadian's butt to hurt because I responded rudely when he blundered in to insult me) ?
And when Americans are shocked and appalled at this insane industrialized murder, the vapid liberal Canadians reflexively cry about Americans getting shot... using stats that include all our suicides, only these fuckers pretend they are all school shootings... Which is extra ironic since in reality those are incredibly rare statistical anomalies AND they had one a few weeks ago
themselves.
These fucks cry about American kids getting shot, when in reality statistically our "kids" who are getting shot are usually 16-21 and it was gang related, and they overwhelmingly come from a demographic group Canada barely has. Meanwhile their Caring Liberals are working on MAIDing minors without parental consent.
For the record, I don't hate Canadians. I hate LIBERAL Canadians, because they're evil and dogshit at everything. I root for normal Canadians and I look forward to the day you guys finally have enough and hang your fucking scumbags from lamp posts. I think of normal Canadians they same way I do regular Californians (or insert other state totally dominated by a big blue city here).
But holy shit, normal Canada, your liberals are insane. Good luck.
- https://www.facebook.com/larry.correia/p...V2L1VXsnsl
Quote:To receive euthanasia, patients experiencing disease, disability or terminal illness must sign a written request expressing their wish to end their life in front of one independent witness who can confirm it was done willingly free of coercion. Next, two physicians and/or nurse practitioners must independently confirm their written agreement that the patient has an incurable grievous and irremediable medical condition that is in an advanced state of irreversible decline, and that the patient is capable of receiving and willing to receive euthanasia. If their death is not reasonably foreseeable, a medical expert in the underlying medical condition must sign off on the request, their assessment must take at least 90 days, and they must be informed about and decline all other forms of treatment, including palliative care
(Feb 27, 2026 10:55 PM)confused2 Wrote: [...] Humans (even oneself) are surprisingly difficult to kill - hence the need for 'assistance' so you don'tr end up worse off than when you started. [...]
The universe occasionally seems to dabble in an inverse rule for maximizing suffering. For instance, a person who truly loves life may be routinely hounded by injuries, illnesses, close encounters with death, and various losses of loved ones. And those who are antinatalists or persistently depressed may annoyingly weather and dodge almost any menace and highly touted attempt at escape. Certainly not a ubiquitous state of affairs, but one definitely knows when one is a continuous target of the world's sadistic prank side.
YazataFeb 28, 2026 12:36 AM (This post was last modified: Feb 28, 2026 06:01 AM by Yazata.)
I support assisted suicide for the terminally ill or for those with incurable conditions where quality of life is terrible. (Admittedly, measuring quality of life is awfully subjective, but what other alternative is there?)
The Canadian system seems reasonable to me and upon initial examination, I think that I support it.
Quote:Medical assistance in dying (MAID) is a process that allows someone who is found eligible to be able to receive assistance from a medical practitioner in ending their life. The federal Criminal Code of Canada permits this to take place only under very specific circumstances and rules. Anyone requesting this service must meet specific eligibility criteria to receive medical assistance in dying. Any medical practitioner who administers an assisted death to someone must satisfy certain safeguards first...
To be eligible for medical assistance in dying, you must meet all the following criteria. You must:
be eligible for health services funded by a province or territory, or the federal government
You may also be eligible if you meet your province or territory's minimum period of residence or waiting period.
be at least 18 years old and mentally competent
This means being capable of making health care decisions for yourself.
have a grievous and irremediable medical condition
make a voluntary request for medical assistance in dying
The request cannot be the result of outside pressure or influence.
give informed consent to receive medical assistance in dying
Generally, visitors to Canada are not eligible for medical assistance in dying.
Grievous and irremediable medical condition
To be considered as having a grievous and irremediable medical condition, you must meet all of the following criteria. You must:
have a serious illness, disease or disability
be in an advanced state of decline that cannot be reversed
experience unbearable physical or mental suffering from your illness, disease, disability or state of decline that cannot be relieved under conditions that you consider acceptable
You do not need to have a fatal or terminal condition to be eligible for medical assistance in dying.
If your only medical condition is a mental illness, you are not eligible for medical assistance in dying until March 17, 2027.
If you have a mental illness along with other medical conditions, you may be eligible for medical assistance in dying.
Eligibility is always assessed on an individual basis and takes all relevant circumstances into account. However, you must meet all the criteria to be eligible.
I have no real objection to that.
(Feb 27, 2026 10:55 PM)confused2 Wrote: Personally I'm all in favor of assisted dying - I hope it becomes legal in the UK before I'm ready to depart.
Yeah, I hope that it's an option for me as well when I eventually reach that point.
In March 2021, the law was further amended by Bill C-7 to include those suffering from a grievous and irremediable condition whose death was not reasonably foreseeable.[2] The planned inclusion of people with mental illnesses is controversial and has been repeatedly delayed. The legality of this postponement to 2027 is being challenged in court.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia_in_Canada
If your death is "not reasonably foreseeable," seems this could easily be used to remove costly patients from their universal healthcare. And the idea that you could give proper consent while suffering mental illness seem preposterous.
The intensity and breadth of Canada's MAID program has led to condemnation of its program by UN human rights experts and disability rights groups in Canada.[4] It has also been the subject of substantial international attention and criticism.[5][6][7] Human rights advocates have criticized Canada's euthanasia laws in a number of ways, including that it is lacking safeguards, devalues the lives of disabled people, prompts health workers and doctors to suggest euthanasia to people who would not otherwise consider it, or euthanizes people who were not receiving adequate government support to continue living.
If even the UN condemns you, it has to be bad.
After the repeal of the reasonably foreseeable requirement in Bill C-7, writers for The Spectator, Jacobin, and Global News have argued that many might opt into euthanasia because of poverty.[71][72][73] Critics believe that a lack of social spending structurally places these people in poverty, and then introduces MAID as a way out, citing issues like insufficient welfare for disabled people and unconstitutionally long waiting times for healthcare as evidence that those who are disabled and impoverished do not have enough support to survive.[73][74]
An analysis piece from The Spectator, their most popular article in 2022, stated that the Canadian government sees MAID as a more economical alternative to investments in social programs and welfare.
That seems very suspect.
But overall, I don't understand why we'd want to incentivize making people culpable in murder. If someone lacks the will to do it themselves, why would we assume they really desire to die?
And it's not like we don't already have a huge problem with doctors playing god and not getting informed consent.
Went to one held in the backyard of the woman who was ending things. She had terminal cancer, bedridden, was apparently wracked with pain and was being heavily medicated. Kind of weird because it was a really hot day. She dies but the vehicle picking up the body was involved in an accident on the way there. So she laid dead in the heat for about a couple hours. Can’t figure out why I bothered to go at all other than I knew family and they asked. She was dealing with a lot and I don’t think she was capable of doing what she wanted to do without some help.
Personally I’m ok with it. Didn’t lose any sleep. She had nothing left to live for. I guess there’s always hope for a miracle cure but how often does that happen when you really need it. Never? “
C CFeb 28, 2026 07:09 PM (This post was last modified: Feb 28, 2026 07:30 PM by C C.)
(Feb 28, 2026 05:51 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [...] She was dealing with a lot and I don’t think she was capable of doing what she wanted to do without some help. Personally I’m ok with it. [...]
Yah, likewise the below isn't even taking into account that one may be either too elderly or too debilitated by a late stage of cancer or other progressing disease to even walk, much less set up the circumstances for DIY expungement. Leave it to the professionals, rather than bungling it disastrously in one fashion or another...
(1) The Syliva Plath method is irresponsible and dangerous to others for obvious reasons.
(2) Guns are out of the question, because they make a mess that somebody has to clean up afterwards. There's that scene in "Pulp Fiction" where Vincent accidentally blows Marvin's head apart like a watermelon -- not just the blood smearing everything, but the skull fragments and brains scattered about.
(3) Similar with slashing the wrists. Even though the bathtub can be cleaned up satisfactorily, does the rest of the family or the new residents really want to use it again after something like that took place in it? There's the expense of replacing such.
(4) And hanging just isn't a desired method, no matter how much David Carradine may have tried to combine it with pleasure via the rope tied around his neck and genitals.
(5) Can flunitrazepam really knock you out fast enough after you place the plastic bag around your head and duct tape it securely? If not, will the suffocation reflex just make you pull it off or punch a hole in the bag? (If you still had enough vitality to put it on in the first place, then surely there's enough left to do that, too.)
(6) And if you were never an experienced substance abuser in the past, can you successfully overdose or even find a source for the amount of junk you need? Again, are you in any kind of condition at that point for finding a supplier or navigating successfully through a seedy neighborhood?
Personally I think of dying as being rather like going to the toilet. I don't want anyone watching either especially as quite often folks manage to do both at the same time.
Give me nurses and strippers at the end .. preferably a combination of the two. If they have to nail the coffin lid down - that's fine by me. All billed as part of the maids service. Way to go.
My personal plan is to simply take on more dangerous activities as my body or mind start to fail me. I mean, what better time to go swimming with sharks, base jumping, etc.? You do enough risking activities and the odds are likely to catch up with you. Go out with a bang rather than a whimper.
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