Reading a book - either fact or fiction - entering another person's world for maybe 6 hours or more. There's a thing called 'Kindle' which I think is a conventional book but without the paper - I'd count that as a book if it meets the 6 hours or more mark. I can't see books working on Apple things on account of screen resolution, battery life and data costs but I could be wrong.
My actual context for the question starts with the the idea of writing a simple AI program. Assuming all the programming can be done the program has to be able to read a book and understand 'book input' which may be wiser and more valid than the immediate input which might be (for example) American politics.
I don't see young people reading books. It's increasingly unusual to see anyone reading a book.
In past years I used to see people reading books in places like cafes and on the commuter trains. I don't see that any more, or at least much more rarely. Bookstores are drying up and blowing away like tumble-weeds.
What do people today read? Cell phone screens. Everybody seems to constantly be staring at their phone. Even while they walk down the sidewalk (cell-phone zombies).
It's theoretically possible to read a book on a cell phone screen. There are aps for that. But I doubt that many people do. The screens are too small to do it comfortably. It's much easier to read a book on a Kindle or Nook e-book reader that are designed to do it. But I never see anybody using them.
So what are people looking at when they stare at their phones? I think that most of them are looking at their text messages or at whether the last little "witty" one-line thing they said on some social-media site is getting any "likes".
(Nov 12, 2017 01:21 AM)confused2 Wrote: Reading a book - either fact or fiction - entering another person's world for maybe 6 hours or more. There's a thing called 'Kindle' which I think is a conventional book but without the paper - I'd count that as a book if it meets the 6 hours or more mark. I can't see books working on Apple things on account of screen resolution, battery life and data costs but I could be wrong.
My actual context for the question starts with the the idea of writing a simple AI program. Assuming all the programming can be done the program has to be able to read a book and understand 'book input' which may be wiser and more valid than the immediate input which might be (for example) American politics.
Quote:American politics.
millionaires argueing about how they are going to spend poor working class tax on themselves & pretending to be ulturistic about it...
American Sociopaths...
back to the subject not the subject matter...
i was just pondering about the conversion to computers, of learning...
replacing schools with computers...
then being reliant on electricity & cost to gain an internet account & a computer thus placing basic schooling out of reach of the poor.
i wonder if anything is being done to combat that.
if there is no electricity(no computers) can schools still run as normal ?
(Nov 12, 2017 02:34 AM)Yazata Wrote: I don't see young people reading books. It's increasingly unusual to see anyone reading a book.
In past years I used to see people reading books in places like cafes and on the commuter trains. I don't see that any more, or at least much more rarely. Bookstores are drying up and blowing away like tumble-weeds.
What do people today read? Cell phone screens. Everybody seems to constantly be staring at their phone. Even while they walk down the sidewalk (cell-phone zombies).
It's theoretically possible to read a book on a cell phone screen. There are aps for that. But I doubt that many people do. The screens are too small to do it comfortably. It's much easier to read a book on a Kindle or Nook e-book reader that are designed to do it. But I never see anybody using them.
So what are people looking at when they stare at their phones? I think that most of them are looking at their text messages or at whether the last little "witty" one-line thing they said on some social-media site is getting any "likes".
confused2Nov 12, 2017 04:37 PM (This post was last modified: Nov 12, 2017 05:21 PM by confused2.)
Could there come a point where (slightly exaggerating) culture is between (say) 3 and 10 tweets deep?
Is it possible to know everything there is to know about a person from their interaction with facebook etc over the last (say) three months? I understand Trump's election campaign used several different advertisements targeted using information from facebook - it makes one wonder why he didn't win with a greater majority. There again HC did call his supporters 'morons' (or something similar).
Back to the chase...
An AI might not need any in-depth knowledge or understanding of humanity - three months phone records might be all it needs to turn the electorate from a piano player into a player piano. Why (to what purpose) - therein lies the rub. A test AI was recently turned into a racist monster through interactions with the 'public' - could an AI turn the tables? Hardly AI at all - it just needs to seem like it knows you - which it can.
I'm thinking SS should give her son a copy of Walden to take with him when he goes hiking - it might save his shirt sleeves.
(Nov 12, 2017 04:37 PM)confused2 Wrote: Could there come a point where (slightly exaggerating) culture is between (say) 3 and 10 tweets deep?
Is it possible to know everything there is to know about a person from their interaction with facebook etc over the last (say) three months? I understand Trump's election campaign used several different advertisements targeted using information from facebook - it makes one wonder why he didn't win with a greater majority. There again HC did call his supporters 'morons' (or something similar).
Back to the chase...
An AI might not need any in-depth knowledge or understanding of humanity - three months phone records might be all it needs to turn the electorate from a piano player into a player piano. Why (to what purpose) - therein lies the rub. A test AI was recently turned into a racist monster through interactions with the 'public' - could an AI turn the tables? Hardly AI at all - it just needs to seem like it knows you - which it can.
I'm thinking SS should give her son a copy of Walden to take with him when he goes hiking - it might save his shirt sleeves.
RE facebook
10yo male masquarading as a 19yo male chasing facebook porn profiles
12yo female masquarading as a 16yo female idolising boy bands...
60yo male masquarading as a 20yo female idolising 20 something males
group page animated fantasy game...
self help pyramid marketing personal page filled with one liners...
thus it would seem to me that the perameters of the criteria would be loaded first.
this renders human bias.
what small leaning that bias may have, may longitudinally become quite extreme.
now lets try and guess what the AI is selling ?
second hand health insurance policys ?
who for ?
(Nov 12, 2017 04:37 PM)confused2 Wrote: Could there come a point where (slightly exaggerating) culture is between (say) 3 and 10 tweets deep?
Is it possible to know everything there is to know about a person from their interaction with facebook etc over the last (say) three months? I understand Trump's election campaign used several different advertisements targeted using information from facebook - it makes one wonder why he didn't win with a greater majority. There again HC did call his supporters 'morons' (or something similar).
Back to the chase...
An AI might not need any in-depth knowledge or understanding of humanity - three months phone records might be all it needs to turn the electorate from a piano player into a player piano. Why (to what purpose) - therein lies the rub. A test AI was recently turned into a racist monster through interactions with the 'public' - could an AI turn the tables? Hardly AI at all - it just needs to seem like it knows you - which it can.
I'm thinking SS should give her son a copy of Walden to take with him when he goes hiking - it might save his shirt sleeves.
I don’t know if my son would wipe his ass with "Walden". His favorite book as a child was "Hatchet".
I was wondering though, C2. I don’t have a Facebook account but I do have a large library. Do you think that you could determine a great deal about me, if you had access to my personal library?
(Nov 12, 2017 04:37 PM)confused2 Wrote: Could there come a point where (slightly exaggerating) culture is between (say) 3 and 10 tweets deep?
Is it possible to know everything there is to know about a person from their interaction with facebook etc over the last (say) three months? I understand Trump's election campaign used several different advertisements targeted using information from facebook - it makes one wonder why he didn't win with a greater majority. There again HC did call his supporters 'morons' (or something similar).
Back to the chase...
An AI might not need any in-depth knowledge or understanding of humanity - three months phone records might be all it needs to turn the electorate from a piano player into a player piano. Why (to what purpose) - therein lies the rub. A test AI was recently turned into a racist monster through interactions with the 'public' - could an AI turn the tables? Hardly AI at all - it just needs to seem like it knows you - which it can.
I'm thinking SS should give her son a copy of Walden to take with him when he goes hiking - it might save his shirt sleeves.
I don’t know if my son would wipe his ass with "Walden". His favorite book as a child was "Hatchet".
I was wondering though, C2. I don’t have a Facebook account but I do have a large library. Do you think that you could determine a great deal about me, if you had access to my personal library?
I do have a facebook account - I don't understand it and have done nothing with it for some years (until now). My only post was a while back - a rather plaintive - "I have no idea who all these people are.". It seems if you don't like anyone or anything the default assumption is that you must like cats with the result that the cat people pretty much took over with their pictures of cats. Also some fishing stuff. Cats and fishing have now been deleted. I can see how young people might regard it as a launch point - start with cats and fishing and build from there. Not for me though.
A library. A book that is read captures the reader as much as the reader captures the book. You can't unread a book. I don't have a library but the books I have read I carry with me.
(Nov 17, 2017 01:42 AM)confused2 Wrote: A library. A book that is read captures the reader as much as the reader captures the book. You can't unread a book. I don't have a library but the books I have read I carry with me.
I went to an estate sale recently. The man must have been an engineer with a mild interest in physics. There were tons of very expensive books. Of course, I had that area all to myself because not many people have that sort of interest. I started combing through them and then noticed another man next to me. He started doing the same thing. I could tell that he didn’t have much knowledge in either field by the books that he was choosing. I quickly searched for the names that I knew and loved. I paid for them and asked the lady if she would guard them while I continued looking around. She put a sold sign on them. When I returned, they were gone. I looked around and saw the guy putting them in his car. I ran out but it was too late. The lady said that he owned a used book shop nearby but didn’t know the name of it. I estimated the value of those books even at used prices to be close to a thousand dollars or so. I really wanted those books. They were filled with bookmarks, personal notes, and highlights.
My grandmother was an author. Her books were like that. My books are like that. I used to try to figure what the significance of an underline, parenthesis, or a circled sentences may have had to the reader. Why that equation? An ah-ha moment, perhaps. Something related to a project or something not entirely understood that required further investigation? My grandmother’s scribbles were obvious. She was an author. She was always piecing things together for her next book, but a stranger, not so clear. One may never know the significance of a highlight but that is exactly why I don’t loan out my books. They're personal and that's why I remove the jackets and keep the titles hidden. I’ve had people grab books right out of my hand before. Complete strangers trying to determine what type of person I am.
A few weeks ago, I was standing in line and overheard a conversation. A woman, who seemed to know him, asked a guy, who was gazing out the window, if he was okay. He said, "Yeah, I’m just waiting for a ride." He laughed and then said that he probably looked like he was having an existential crisis or something.
I wondered what people would think if they saw me gazing out a window. Would they know that I wasn’t actually looking out at all? That I was looking at the reflections between two double pain windows? That I was tracing the angles and noticing the sizes of the objects reflected back at me? No. They'd probably think I was sad, worried, or simply daydreaming about something altogether different.
You are what you read? If so, it should not be about how many, but which ones.
At one time, I was worried about Google’s algorithms. Would they become so tailored to my preferences that my search results would end up becoming even more biased overtime? Alain de Botton was discussing his new book about the news at a google conference. He said that he thought the current bandwidth of information was clogged up with what you might call orphaned pieces of information. He compared our current consumption to having forty novels constantly presented to us where we’re allowed to read one sentence, and then the novel is removed, and another one is presented, and so forth.
Lets’ compare this to special relativity. Say you read an analogy and then another. You’re curious. So, you read a book. You may or may not understand an equation. You wonder why this equation was even needed. None of these ideas seem intuitive. So, you gather even more information. Finally, you decide to take a course on the subject and then all of a sudden the instructor says something that inflicts an ah-ha moment. Not that you were consciously aware of your question or even your lack of understanding. You simply had bits and pieces of information rolling around in your subconscious mind. When the information was presented in a structured fashion, all of those bits and pieces came together.
You know...I think that people experience more anxiety today than ever before, but not because some of the old narratives are no longer useful. We need to make sense out of our surroundings, and in order to do so, we need narratives, and this is what is lacking in the way that information is currently being presented to us.
P.S., I don’t think that you can judge a book by its cover or a reader by her books. You’d have to know what they were after and how it relates to their narrative.
confused2Nov 18, 2017 02:16 AM (This post was last modified: Nov 18, 2017 02:41 AM by confused2.)
Narrative? - Do you mean continuity?
Do you have a copy of the I Ching? Like so many of my books mine is lost, stolen or stayed. The only point is that my version (King Wen?) spoke of the superior person. Locally the acts of the superior person have been a sort of standing joke for the last 30 years or more. Argh! So many times, if only I'd taken a moment or two to consider what the superior person would have done before of doing what I actually did. Written 3,000 years ago.
(Nov 17, 2017 01:42 AM)confused2 Wrote: A library. A book that is read captures the reader as much as the reader captures the book. You can't unread a book. I don't have a library but the books I have read I carry with me.
I went to an estate sale recently. The man must have been an engineer with a mild interest in physics. There were tons of very expensive books. Of course, I had that area all to myself because not many people have that sort of interest. I started combing through them and then noticed another man next to me. He started doing the same thing. I could tell that he didn’t have much knowledge in either field by the books that he was choosing. I quickly searched for the names that I knew and loved. I paid for them and asked the lady if she would guard them while I continued looking around. She put a sold sign on them. When I returned, they were gone. I looked around and saw the guy putting them in his car. I ran out but it was too late. The lady said that he owned a used book shop nearby but didn’t know the name of it. I estimated the value of those books even at used prices to be close to a thousand dollars or so. I really wanted those books. They were filled with bookmarks, personal notes, and highlights.
My grandmother was an author. Her books were like that. My books are like that. I used to try to figure what the significance of an underline, parenthesis, or a circled sentences may have had to the reader. Why that equation? An ah-ha moment, perhaps. Something related to a project or something not entirely understood that required further investigation? My grandmother’s scribbles were obvious. She was an author. She was always piecing things together for her next book, but a stranger, not so clear. One may never know the significance of a highlight but that is exactly why I don’t loan out my books. They're personal and that's why I remove the jackets and keep the titles hidden. I’ve had people grab books right out of my hand before. Complete strangers trying to determine what type of person I am.
A few weeks ago, I was standing in line and overheard a conversation. A woman, who seemed to know him, asked a guy, who was gazing out the window, if he was okay. He said, "Yeah, I’m just waiting for a ride." He laughed and then said that he probably looked like he was having an existential crisis or something.
I wondered what people would think if they saw me gazing out a window. Would they know that I wasn’t actually looking out at all? That I was looking at the reflections between two double pain windows? That I was tracing the angles and noticing the sizes of the objects reflected back at me? No. They'd probably think I was sad, worried, or simply daydreaming about something altogether different.
You are what you read? If so, it should not be about how many, but which ones.
At one time, I was worried about Google’s algorithms. Would they become so tailored to my preferences that my search results would end up becoming even more biased overtime? Alain de Botton was discussing his new book about the news at a google conference. He said that he thought the current bandwidth of information was clogged up with what you might call orphaned pieces of information. He compared our current consumption to having forty novels constantly presented to us where we’re allowed to read one sentence, and then the novel is removed, and another one is presented, and so forth.
Lets’ compare this to special relativity. Say you read an analogy and then another. You’re curious. So, you read a book. You may or may not understand an equation. You wonder why this equation was even needed. None of these ideas seem intuitive. So, you gather even more information. Finally, you decide to take a course on the subject and then all of a sudden the instructor says something that inflicts an ah-ha moment. Not that you were consciously aware of your question or even your lack of understanding. You simply had bits and pieces of information rolling around in your subconscious mind. When the information was presented in a structured fashion, all of those bits and pieces came together.
You know...I think that people experience more anxiety today than ever before, but not because some of the old narratives are no longer useful. We need to make sense out of our surroundings, and in order to do so, we need narratives, and this is what is lacking in the way that information is currently being presented to us.
P.S., I don’t think that you can judge a book by its cover or a reader by her books. You’d have to know what they were after and how it relates to their narrative.
so he stole the books from an estate sale ?
and he is doing it for business profit... ?
i hope someone re-posesses them from his shop.
Quote:A few weeks ago, I was standing in line and overheard a conversation. A woman, who seemed to know him, asked a guy, who was gazing out the window, if he was okay. He said, "Yeah, I’m just waiting for a ride." He laughed and then said that he probably looked like he was having an existential crisis or something.
I wondered what people would think if they saw me gazing out a window. Would they know that I wasn’t actually looking out at all? That I was looking at the reflections between two double pain windows? That I was tracing the angles and noticing the sizes of the objects reflected back at me? No. They'd probably think I was sad, worried, or simply daydreaming about something altogether different.
LoL
i was recently thinking the same thing.
after many MANY years of practice i have learnt how to meditate lightly to shut down cognitive function as a resting point.
easiest way to discribe it is to make part of your brain go to sleep.(completely different to lucid day-dreaming or day-dreaming or seratonin deficiency)
i recently did this at the end of a 12 hour shift after an intense networking period of around 2 hours after the 10 hours or soo,...for around 25 seconds before i noticed someone then glance at me, so i had to turn back on.
(30 seconds or soo can help restore cognitive function equal to a around 15 to 25 rest)
it occured to me that anyone who might see me, might think i was stoned or drunk or having some type of siezure. lol.
usually i never do it anywhere people may see (on the off chance)as extrovertive vouyers(aka ... gossipy types) tend to be mostly negative people.
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