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Are we a bit vague about teaching morality to children?

#31
Secular Sanity Offline
(Sep 27, 2017 01:42 AM)confused2 Wrote: Instinct covers any behaviour that isn't learned. Instinct tells Junior A not to treat Junior B as food (smell perhaps) - then as social birds they start on the social life they will lead as adults - which involves sharing. Sharing (anything) I think involves fairness - how much to share? Yes?

Evolutionary Models of Food Sharing (wikipedia.org)
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#32
Syne Offline
(Sep 27, 2017 01:19 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41409983
Quote:US President Donald Trump's pick for Alabama's Senate race has lost the state's Republican primary to a firebrand Christian conservative.

Quote:Mr Moore is a populist former chief justice in the state, who rode to the voting booth on a horse named Sassy, and brandished a gun at a rally.

Quote:The news is likely to rattle Washington Republicans, including President Trump, who had confidently pitted Mr Strange against the party's anti-establishment wing.
just like iran with their religious leader running the country.
The church is the state.

So even though the state hasn't elevated any religion in the US to any sort of primacy over others, including secular interests, politicians that espouse Christian values MUST mean that it's a theocracy? Hell, you don't even seem to understand that Trump was in favor of the establishment guy BEATING the "firebrand Christian conservative". How is it that the ignorant leftists STILL don't understand that Trump isn't ideological?

But go ahead and keep scaring yourself with imaginary boogeymen. It's fun to watch.
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#33
confused2 Offline
Syne Wrote:Hell, you don't even seem to understand that Trump was in favor of the establishment guy BEATING the "firebrand Christian conservative".
Even I know enough about American politics to know that Syne is (at best) making a mistake about this.
http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-09-27
Trump controls the 'truth'. Scott Adams ('Dilbert') has even written a book about how it works - and yet it changes nothing.
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#34
Syne Offline
(Sep 27, 2017 10:35 PM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:Hell, you don't even seem to understand that Trump was in favor of the establishment guy BEATING the "firebrand Christian conservative".
Even I know enough about American politics to know that Syne is (at best) making a mistake about this.
http://dilbert.com/strip/2017-09-27
Trump controls the 'truth'. Scott Adams ('Dilbert') has even written a book about how it works - and yet it changes nothing.

Obviously, you know very little about American politics then. Go look it up for yourself.

"(CNN)Returning from a high-dollar fundraiser in Manhattan on Tuesday evening, an infuriated President Donald Trump watched aboard Air Force One as Fox News called the Alabama Senate primary for Roy Moore against Trump's favored candidate, Luther Strange."

Or just actually read RU's article, which clearly says:

"The news is likely to rattle Washington Republicans, including President Trump, who had confidently pitted Mr Strange against the party's anti-establishment wing." - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41409983

In the US (in which you obviously don't live), the secular media controls the "truth" for the large majority of uninformed Americans.
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#35
confused2 Offline
Syne Wrote:In the US (in which you obviously don't live), the secular media controls the "truth" for the large majority of uninformed Americans.
And 77% of American adults would seem to believe in angels. The secular media certainly seem to be doing a good job over there in America.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/
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#36
RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Sep 28, 2017 12:14 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:In the US (in which you obviously don't live), the secular media controls the "truth" for the large majority of uninformed Americans.
And 77% of American adults would seem to believe in angels. The secular media certainly seem to be doing a good job over there in America.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/

unless you are christian you will not be allowed to run for the presidency.(simple fact explained)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularity#Modern_usage
Quote:Modern usage
Examples of secular used in this way include:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_...ffiliation
Quote:Conversely, though every president from George Washington to John Quincy Adams can be definitely assigned membership in an Anglican or Unitarian body, the significance of these affiliations is often downplayed as unrepresentative of their true beliefs.[citation needed]
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#37
Syne Offline
(Sep 28, 2017 12:14 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:In the US (in which you obviously don't live), the secular media controls the "truth" for the large majority of uninformed Americans.
And 77% of American adults would seem to believe in angels. The secular media certainly seem to be doing a good job over there in America.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/
And? You'll notice they don't try to weigh in on the issue one way or the other.
Our media is more interested in political narrative, and there's no political advantage to alienating 77% of their desired audience....including:

"A majority of non-Christians think angels exist, as do more than 4 in 10 of those who never attend religious services." - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/
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#38
RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Sep 28, 2017 02:43 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Sep 28, 2017 12:14 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:In the US (in which you obviously don't live), the secular media controls the "truth" for the large majority of uninformed Americans.
And 77% of American adults would seem to believe in angels. The secular media certainly seem to be doing a good job over there in America.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/
And? You'll notice they don't try to weigh in on the issue one way or the other.
Our media is more interested in political narrative, and there's no political advantage to alienating 77% of their desired audience....including:

"A majority of non-Christians think angels exist, as do more than 4 in 10 of those who never attend religious services." - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/

the "media" do not ask for or take donations in exchange for thier product.
unlike churches.

consumers are already buying a product from the church...
"media" have no offer or mechanism to make the shopper change brands from "church" to "free internet & free tv".

when americans go shopping for churches they dont try and force media companys to deliver them a product.
ipso facto
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#39
Syne Offline
(Sep 28, 2017 03:06 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Sep 28, 2017 02:43 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Sep 28, 2017 12:14 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:In the US (in which you obviously don't live), the secular media controls the "truth" for the large majority of uninformed Americans.
And 77% of American adults would seem to believe in angels. The secular media certainly seem to be doing a good job over there in America.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/
And? You'll notice they don't try to weigh in on the issue one way or the other.
Our media is more interested in political narrative, and there's no political advantage to alienating 77% of their desired audience....including:

"A majority of non-Christians think angels exist, as do more than 4 in 10 of those who never attend religious services." - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/

the "media" do not ask for or take donations in exchange for thier product.
unlike churches.

consumers are already buying a product from the church...
"media" have no offer or mechanism to make the shopper change brands from "church" to "free internet & free tv".

when americans go shopping for churches they dont try and force media companys to deliver them a product.
ipso facto

Yes, the media does make an exchange for their product. It's called advertising, which is in turn paid for by the customers who both shop those companies and partake of that media. It is the lack of advertiser boycotts, until more recently, and alternative information sources that allowed the media to push their own agenda largely without consequence.
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#40
RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Sep 28, 2017 04:06 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Sep 28, 2017 03:06 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Sep 28, 2017 02:43 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Sep 28, 2017 12:14 AM)confused2 Wrote:
Syne Wrote:In the US (in which you obviously don't live), the secular media controls the "truth" for the large majority of uninformed Americans.
And 77% of American adults would seem to believe in angels. The secular media certainly seem to be doing a good job over there in America.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/
And? You'll notice they don't try to weigh in on the issue one way or the other.
Our media is more interested in political narrative, and there's no political advantage to alienating 77% of their desired audience....including:

"A majority of non-Christians think angels exist, as do more than 4 in 10 of those who never attend religious services." - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-nearly...in-angels/

the "media" do not ask for or take donations in exchange for thier product.
unlike churches.

consumers are already buying a product from the church...
"media" have no offer or mechanism to make the shopper change brands from "church" to "free internet & free tv".

when americans go shopping for churches they dont try and force media companys to deliver them a product.
ipso facto

Yes, the media does make an exchange for their product. It's called advertising, which is in turn paid for by the customers who both shop those companies and partake of that media. It is the lack of advertiser boycotts, until more recently, and alternative information sources that allowed the media to push their own agenda largely without consequence.

Ok Given that 99% of all that media is privately owned and operated it means they are partaking and invigorating capitalist enterprise by employing soo many people and contributing to the tax revenue which supports the citizens of mixed market economys.

are you suggesting that any company that is motivated by profit should not be trusted ?
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