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How Google Maps Almost Got Me Killed

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C C Offline
(Apr 3, 2017 07:17 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: indeed. why are vice squads not working in such areas ? [...] recreational drug use(though i am not a participant) is accepted by the majority to be an acceptable part of society. however law enforcement by way of mite is right are used to attack such recreational users in a predatory fashion.


Long before the more recent trend of legalization, there were straitlaced farmers unlawfully growing cannabis in places as seemingly conflicting as the Bible Belt / southeastern US and other (then or future) Republican flyover points between the coasts. In some counties they would just get a slap on the wrist from authorities, especially if an agricultural area would otherwise have been suffering from an economic downturn if not for the pot crops.

But due to their having been otherwise legitimate sodbusters with a limited expense account, the paranoid patrolling of cartel-backed cultivation was probably rarer (i.e., either scaring intruders off or disposing of their bodies). The sheer resources and influential strength of the latter in circumventing vice enforcement would replace the dependence upon "good ol' boy" fellowship between average farmers and cops in the conventional rural settings.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1997-03...t-jennings
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/ma...t-of-gold/
https://mobile.nytimes.com/1997/03/13/ar...eye-o.html

Quote:i am personally opposed on moral, spiritual & civic grounds to those who seek to impose their will on a community that they are not a part of.

Yeah, relativism was even around as an ad-lib practice long before any formal theory or description. Usually when it was necessary to get along with a needed "ally" who might otherwise not be be a "friend", like in either a desperate situation or war that required the other's assistance and cooperation. That kind of relativism which falls out of interacting circumstances and negotiations, rather than necessarily being prescribed by philosophy alone, still arises today: U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies

The eccentricities of local customs and codes of conduct can undermine or deflect standards proclaimed to be universal (as in prior in rank allegiances to family and friends, religion, gangs, fraternities, neighborhoods, cliques ranging from rich elite colleagues to homeless buddies, honor protocols among thieves and sex / slave rings that exploit humans, etc). Even if a hierarchy was established to characterize specifically how conflicting "moral, rights, conventions" systems are subordinate and superordinate in relation to each other, the system or perspective of an immediate "tribe" could still simply choose to ignore that general scheme of management.

Also, no matter what abstract model is proclaimed to have ubiquitous effect, today's champions of such will then often perversely diminish the reach and potency of those very principles via a postmodern waffle-detour. When it comes to exercising such on the turf of differing subcultures in the overall population or in application to outright external, non-Western societies. As somewhat exemplified by the conflicting irony of television journalists enthusiastically / piously covering assorted feminist political activities in North America (i.e., celebrating uplifting progress and growing consciousness); but then the self-same reporters passively wear hijabs during interviews conducted in patriarchal nations (a la conforming to or meekly surrendering to relativism). Though that's an example of merely superficial icons of the media, rather than substantive gladiators and real pillars of support for whichever occidental standards and contended ideas of justice (who may do a postmodern waffle-detour in less direct, broadly visible ways).
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#32
RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Apr 3, 2017 10:27 PM)C C Wrote:
(Apr 3, 2017 07:17 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: indeed. why are vice squads not working in such areas ? [...] recreational drug use(though i am not a participant) is accepted by the majority to be an acceptable part of society. however law enforcement by way of mite is right are used to attack such recreational users in a predatory fashion.


Long before the more recent trend of legalization, there were straitlaced farmers unlawfully growing cannabis in places as seemingly conflicting as the Bible Belt / southeastern US and other (then or future) Republican flyover points between the coasts. In some counties they would just get a slap on the wrist from authorities, especially if an agricultural area would otherwise have been suffering from an economic downturn if not for the pot crops.

But due to their having been otherwise legitimate sodbusters with a limited expense account, the paranoid patrolling of cartel-backed cultivation was probably rarer (i.e., either scaring intruders off or disposing of their bodies). The sheer resources and influential strength of the latter in circumventing vice enforcement would replace the dependence upon "good ol' boy" fellowship between average farmers and cops in the conventional rural settings.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1997-03...t-jennings
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/ma...t-of-gold/
https://mobile.nytimes.com/1997/03/13/ar...eye-o.html

Quote:i am personally opposed on moral, spiritual & civic grounds to those who seek to impose their will on a community that they are not a part of.

Yeah, relativism was even around as an ad-lib practice long before any formal theory or description. Usually when it was necessary to get along with a needed "ally" who might otherwise not be be a "friend", like in either a desperate situation or war that required the other's assistance and cooperation. That kind of relativism which falls out of interacting circumstances and negotiations, rather than necessarily being prescribed by philosophy alone, still arises today: U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies

The eccentricities of local customs and codes of conduct can undermine or deflect standards proclaimed to be universal (as in prior in rank allegiances to family and friends, religion, gangs, fraternities, neighborhoods, cliques ranging from rich elite colleagues to homeless buddies, honor protocols among thieves and sex / slave rings that exploit humans, etc). Even if a hierarchy was established to characterize specifically how conflicting "moral, rights, conventions" systems are subordinate and superordinate in relation to each other, the system or perspective of an immediate "tribe" could still simply choose to ignore that general scheme of management.  

Also, no matter what abstract model is proclaimed to have ubiquitous effect, today's champions of such will then often perversely diminish the reach and potency of those very principles via a postmodern waffle-detour. When it comes to exercising such on the turf of differing subcultures in the overall population or in application to outright external, non-Western societies. As somewhat exemplified by the conflicting irony of television journalists enthusiastically / piously covering assorted feminist political activities in North America (i.e., celebrating uplifting progress and growing consciousness); but then the self-same reporters passively wear hijabs during interviews conducted in patriarchal nations (a la conforming to or meekly surrendering to relativism). Though that's an example of merely superficial icons of the media, rather than substantive gladiators and real pillars of support for whichever occidental standards and contended ideas of justice (who may do a postmodern waffle-detour in less direct, broadly visible ways).

again i must comment/commend on your writing style. i find it quite invigourating.
it is rare to have my vocabulary soo well exercised in discussion.

Quote:U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies


Bacha Bazi
i fell over a bbc documentary, i think it may have been in several parts.
i had a bit of a look but cant seem to find it.
i notice most of the images on allthe other short videos all seem to come from that one documentary.
it disturbed me for a few days after watching it.
if you have not watched it and you have a strong constitution for such things then i highly recomend it.
it is an astonishing window into the afghani culture.

heading back to the subject in a us comparative ideosyncratic idiom i find it interesting how in the US there is soo much legal battling over things i would think should be driven by the community.
there is a question that comes to mind in that if people were allowed to regionalise their chosen legal rights through moral practice then states would become a lot more like countrys.
the bible belt and all their pedophilia farms
cross matched with the southern states and their qwasi puratin baptist moral idiosyncracies.
then all the melting pots like new york & california which seem to be a lot more european in values and morals yet the crime rate is horendous for an advanced culture.
the insistant attempts by religous groups to impose mediaval laws upon the family home and bedroom in every corner of the country and have the police be their private gestapo really baffles me.
were it not for the constant pressure from jewish(&secular organisations) organisations i wonder how far those types of groups would get.
i thought the last administration was well on its way to put into force a nationwide secular governnance to protect all religious freedoms, however it would seem the change in partys is heading in the opposite direction.
this i find confusing as they do not have a majority of moral support by the people.
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#33
Zinjanthropos Offline
(Apr 1, 2017 02:11 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Mar 31, 2017 06:50 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: I always told my kids there would be 5 days in every year when you wished you hadn't got out of bed. You just had one. Just think.....Things are improving.

That's a good way to look at it.  

Thanks, Zinman!

How's things with you?  Any news from your doctor?

Biopsy on 18th. Not looking forward to it but must be done. Until then I just soldier on.

Your story reminded me of 'Deliverance' and I thought I could hear a banjo playing in the background. Wink

Google Maps took 6 months to correct my address. Found out it was wrong when I went to book a flight online. Westjet's computer didn't recognize my correct address. Anyways, stay the hell out of those places, There's better things to do at night....lol
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#34
Secular Sanity Offline
(Apr 3, 2017 05:21 AM)Syne Wrote: No, I would have been happy to opine and be done....until you got to "Why don’t you guys...", as if individuals are responsible for their whole gender. If you can't see how things like "...by having enough balls..." are overtly antagonistic, I really can't help you. You always do something like that, and then you feign innocence when you're called for such bigoted misandry, hasty generalizations, and bad citations.

Explain something to me.

Syne Wrote:If more woman used guns to successfully defend themselves, fewer men would attempt such things. Just like well-armed cities have fewer home break-ins. They would adapt by learning to avoid behavior that could get them killed.

It's just a matter of if you want to have to adapt or if you'd rather be the pressure that forces others to adapt.
Secular Sanity Wrote:I have a better idea.  Why don’t you guys put the pressure on each other to adapt by having enough balls to tell your friends that it’s not cool to treat women like that.

How was my response any different than yours?

(Apr 4, 2017 04:04 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Your story reminded me of 'Deliverance' and I thought I could hear a banjo playing in the background. Wink

Yeah, C C said the same thing.

In the movie, Drew is the smart one that couldn’t adapt without our man-made concept of law and order. Lewis was overconfident and arrogant until he was injured. Bobby relied on all the others.  He had a false sense of superiority that he couldn’t back up.

We all have the propensity for violence, males and females, but it will change us, which we see in Ed.  Maybe that’s what the hand in the lake represented. It can and will resurface under the right circumstances.  We’re not above the animals.

"Squeal like a pig"; notorious. Why?  Because almost half a century has passed and it’s still taboo.

Male rape is heavily stigmatized, often unreported, and they’re less likely to seek help.  A heterosexual male doesn’t want to be viewed as gay, weak, or vulnerable.  Your masculinity works against you.  The negative attitudes towards homosexuality work against you and unfortunately, male rape is framed around sexuality. One minor difference, though, is that male victims will admit that it’s about power, control, and sexual gratification. The latter, which is often denied by most feminists.
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#35
Syne Offline
(Apr 7, 2017 04:38 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Apr 3, 2017 05:21 AM)Syne Wrote: No, I would have been happy to opine and be done....until you got to "Why don’t you guys...", as if individuals are responsible for their whole gender. If you can't see how things like "...by having enough balls..." are overtly antagonistic, I really can't help you. You always do something like that, and then you feign innocence when you're called for such bigoted misandry, hasty generalizations, and bad citations.

Explain something to me.

Syne Wrote:If more woman used guns to successfully defend themselves, fewer men would attempt such things. Just like well-armed cities have fewer home break-ins. They would adapt by learning to avoid behavior that could get them killed.

It's just a matter of if you want to have to adapt or if you'd rather be the pressure that forces others to adapt.
Secular Sanity Wrote:I have a better idea.  Why don’t you guys put the pressure on each other to adapt by having enough balls to tell your friends that it’s not cool to treat women like that.

How was my response any different than yours?

Easy. Did I in any way demean any woman for not carrying a gun? No, I did not. I left it to a choice of survival strategy. You either adapt to the dangers or you become a pressure that forces those dangers to adapt to you. You either avoid the territory of a bear, or you arm yourself against the bear. It's a basic, natural survival choice that humans have had for a very long time.

That is in stark contrast to implying men don't have the stones simply for not associating with guy who would do anything like that...even if, when faced with such behavior, they would be the first to come to a woman's aid. Rapists generally have the sense not to share their proclivities with just anyone. But maybe you aren't aware of that?
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#36
Secular Sanity Offline
Tips for Choosing Safe Rest Stops

Rest areas have been a part of the U.S. Interstate Highway System since its inception in the late 1950s. The first policy statement on interstate rest areas, published in 1958, called them a "safety measure" that would provide "provisions for emergency stopping and resting by motorists for short periods." Today, some people see rest areas as anything but safe thanks to an increase in crimes like prostitution, vandalism, theft, drug dealing, panhandling, vagrancy and car-jacking at many locations. While this trend is worrisome, rest areas can serve as a safe and convenient pit stop for your family vacation if you follow a few common-sense tips.

As you pull into a rest area, it's important you remain alert. Take note of the stop's name or the closest mile marker, so if you have an emergency you can give the authorities your location. Avoid individuals who seem to be hanging around parking lots and restrooms; that's a good indication he or she is up to no good. It's also a good idea to stay away from places where criminals might hide. Don't park beside large trucks, which can block your view of the parking lot. When you're walking up to the building, be wary of blind corners, recessed areas and thick vegetation. A well-designed rest area will have a rectangular design with few walls or bushes behind which people could hide.

While crime can occur at any time of day, a rest area is most dangerous after the sun goes down, especially if it's isolated and empty. If you're traveling alone at night, it might be a good idea to visit a staffed facility like a fast-food restaurant or a convenience store instead of a rest area.

Often the simplest safety measures are enough to keep you out of trouble at a rest stop. When you pull in to a parking place, don't linger in your car. Closed up inside with the music on, you can easily become oblivious to your surroundings, giving criminals the time and opportunity to target and confront you. When you get out of your vehicle, lock the doors to prevent theft. Also, try not to enter the rest area facilities alone. If you're traveling with young children, see if a family restroom is available. Even older children and adults should have someone accompany them to the restroom or wait for them outside.  

Talk to any strangers through the window or door, and if you feel threatened, drive away.

Added addendum:  Big Grin

Syne Wrote:Get a permit and a gun. One of the benefits of concealed carry is that you have the element of surprise, and as a woman, them underestimating you works in your favor, as they might not feel they need a weapon at the ready to take you.

You'd probably be less afraid if you knew you had the means to defend yourself, especially against one or two unarmed creeps. Bathroom stalls don't stop bullets.

Don’t wear provocative clothing, such as yoga pants. Lacking the learned behavior not to wear yoga pants alone at night in the middle of nowhere, adapting to the danger in a proactive fashion would be preferable.

The point is that you shouldn't have to be afraid to that extent. No one should. If more woman used guns to successfully defend themselves, fewer men would attempt such things. Just like well-armed cities have fewer home break-ins. They would adapt by learning to avoid behavior that could get them killed.

It's just a matter of if you want to have to adapt or if you'd rather be the pressure that forces others to adapt.



(Apr 14, 2017 07:52 PM)Syne Wrote: You either adapt to the dangers or you become a pressure that forces those dangers to adapt to you. You either avoid the territory of a bear, or you arm yourself against the bear. It's a basic, natural survival choice that humans have had for a very long time.

That is in stark contrast to implying men don't have the stones simply for not associating with guy who would do anything like that...even if, when faced with such behavior, they would be the first to come to a woman's aid. Rapists generally have the sense not to share their proclivities with just anyone. But maybe you aren't aware of that?

Bears attack when the feel threatened.  

Gordon Marino argues, men "who do not feel easily threatened are generally less threatening."

It’s the insecure ones that you have to worry about.  The ones whose value depends on the admiration of others. But maybe you aren't aware of that?
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#37
Zinjanthropos Offline
Last time Google was doing the street thing here, taking pictures of addresses and such, many people saw the vehicle but, and this is important, no one ever saw Google out a night taking photos.  Remember that.
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#38
Syne Offline
(Apr 17, 2017 06:24 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: It’s the insecure ones that you have to worry about.  The ones whose value depends on the admiration of others. But maybe you aren't aware of that?

Quite aware of that. Way to distract from the posting manor you sought to equate with the non-sequitur. Rolleyes
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#39
Secular Sanity Offline
(Apr 18, 2017 01:47 AM)Syne Wrote: Way to distract from the posting manor you sought to equate with the non-sequitur.  Rolleyes

Sorry, but your little added addendum was pretty stupid.  Big Grin

If you really want to be the pressure that forces others to adapt, the legal system and the locker room is a good place to start. Both perpetuate the problem.

It shouldn’t be called a cat-call, anyway.  It’s more of a cattle call, isn’t it?  An audition opened to any interested performers?  Isn’t that what most men really seek, actresses?  Someone to provide a false reflection?

Gender profiling is essential because all men are potential threats.

Don’t get me wrong, though, Syne.  I appreciate your advice, and I also appreciate the respect and protection that most males provide.  We search for your strengths, which are necessary to preserve life, and you search for our tenderness.  Our love and gentleness is also necessary to preserve life, isn’t it (?)
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#40
RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Apr 3, 2017 10:27 PM)C C Wrote:
(Apr 3, 2017 07:17 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: indeed. why are vice squads not working in such areas ? [...] recreational drug use(though i am not a participant) is accepted by the majority to be an acceptable part of society. however law enforcement by way of mite is right are used to attack such recreational users in a predatory fashion.


Long before the more recent trend of legalization, there were straitlaced farmers unlawfully growing cannabis in places as seemingly conflicting as the Bible Belt / southeastern US and other (then or future) Republican flyover points between the coasts. In some counties they would just get a slap on the wrist from authorities, especially if an agricultural area would otherwise have been suffering from an economic downturn if not for the pot crops.

But due to their having been otherwise legitimate sodbusters with a limited expense account, the paranoid patrolling of cartel-backed cultivation was probably rarer (i.e., either scaring intruders off or disposing of their bodies). The sheer resources and influential strength of the latter in circumventing vice enforcement would replace the dependence upon "good ol' boy" fellowship between average farmers and cops in the conventional rural settings.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1997-03...t-jennings
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/1997/ma...t-of-gold/
https://mobile.nytimes.com/1997/03/13/ar...eye-o.html

Quote:i am personally opposed on moral, spiritual & civic grounds to those who seek to impose their will on a community that they are not a part of.

Yeah, relativism was even around as an ad-lib practice long before any formal theory or description. Usually when it was necessary to get along with a needed "ally" who might otherwise not be be a "friend", like in either a desperate situation or war that required the other's assistance and cooperation. That kind of relativism which falls out of interacting circumstances and negotiations, rather than necessarily being prescribed by philosophy alone, still arises today: U.S. Soldiers Told to Ignore Sexual Abuse of Boys by Afghan Allies

The eccentricities of local customs and codes of conduct can undermine or deflect standards proclaimed to be universal (as in prior in rank allegiances to family and friends, religion, gangs, fraternities, neighborhoods, cliques ranging from rich elite colleagues to homeless buddies, honor protocols among thieves and sex / slave rings that exploit humans, etc). Even if a hierarchy was established to characterize specifically how conflicting "moral, rights, conventions" systems are subordinate and superordinate in relation to each other, the system or perspective of an immediate "tribe" could still simply choose to ignore that general scheme of management.  

Also, no matter what abstract model is proclaimed to have ubiquitous effect, today's champions of such will then often perversely diminish the reach and potency of those very principles via a postmodern waffle-detour. When it comes to exercising such on the turf of differing subcultures in the overall population or in application to outright external, non-Western societies. As somewhat exemplified by the conflicting irony of television journalists enthusiastically / piously covering assorted feminist political activities in North America (i.e., celebrating uplifting progress and growing consciousness); but then the self-same reporters passively wear hijabs during interviews conducted in patriarchal nations (a la conforming to or meekly surrendering to relativism). Though that's an example of merely superficial icons of the media, rather than substantive gladiators and real pillars of support for whichever occidental standards and contended ideas of justice (who may do a postmodern waffle-detour in less direct, broadly visible ways).

all church based communitys enslave women.
thus military power should be used to free them and impose the national law system for those women and their captive slave children.

(Apr 17, 2017 06:24 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Tips for Choosing Safe Rest Stops

Rest areas have been a part of the U.S. Interstate Highway System since its inception in the late 1950s. The first policy statement on interstate rest areas, published in 1958, called them a "safety measure" that would provide "provisions for emergency stopping and resting by motorists for short periods." Today, some people see rest areas as anything but safe thanks to an increase in crimes like prostitution, vandalism, theft, drug dealing, panhandling, vagrancy and car-jacking at many locations. While this trend is worrisome, rest areas can serve as a safe and convenient pit stop for your family vacation if you follow a few common-sense tips.

As you pull into a rest area, it's important you remain alert. Take note of the stop's name or the closest mile marker, so if you have an emergency you can give the authorities your location. Avoid individuals who seem to be hanging around parking lots and restrooms; that's a good indication he or she is up to no good. It's also a good idea to stay away from places where criminals might hide. Don't park beside large trucks, which can block your view of the parking lot. When you're walking up to the building, be wary of blind corners, recessed areas and thick vegetation. A well-designed rest area will have a rectangular design with few walls or bushes behind which people could hide.

While crime can occur at any time of day, a rest area is most dangerous after the sun goes down, especially if it's isolated and empty. If you're traveling alone at night, it might be a good idea to visit a staffed facility like a fast-food restaurant or a convenience store instead of a rest area.

Often the simplest safety measures are enough to keep you out of trouble at a rest stop. When you pull in to a parking place, don't linger in your car. Closed up inside with the music on, you can easily become oblivious to your surroundings, giving criminals the time and opportunity to target and confront you. When you get out of your vehicle, lock the doors to prevent theft. Also, try not to enter the rest area facilities alone. If you're traveling with young children, see if a family restroom is available. Even older children and adults should have someone accompany them to the restroom or wait for them outside.  

Talk to any strangers through the window or door, and if you feel threatened, drive away.

Added addendum:  Big Grin

Syne Wrote:Get a permit and a gun. One of the benefits of concealed carry is that you have the element of surprise, and as a woman, them underestimating you works in your favor, as they might not feel they need a weapon at the ready to take you.

You'd probably be less afraid if you knew you had the means to defend yourself, especially against one or two unarmed creeps. Bathroom stalls don't stop bullets.

Don’t wear provocative clothing, such as yoga pants. Lacking the learned behavior not to wear yoga pants alone at night in the middle of nowhere, adapting to the danger in a proactive fashion would be preferable.

The point is that you shouldn't have to be afraid to that extent. No one should. If more woman used guns to successfully defend themselves, fewer men would attempt such things. Just like well-armed cities have fewer home break-ins. They would adapt by learning to avoid behavior that could get them killed.

It's just a matter of if you want to have to adapt or if you'd rather be the pressure that forces others to adapt.



(Apr 14, 2017 07:52 PM)Syne Wrote: You either adapt to the dangers or you become a pressure that forces those dangers to adapt to you. You either avoid the territory of a bear, or you arm yourself against the bear. It's a basic, natural survival choice that humans have had for a very long time.

That is in stark contrast to implying men don't have the stones simply for not associating with guy who would do anything like that...even if, when faced with such behavior, they would be the first to come to a woman's aid. Rapists generally have the sense not to share their proclivities with just anyone. But maybe you aren't aware of that?

Bears attack when the feel threatened.  

Gordon Marino argues, men "who do not feel easily threatened are generally less threatening."

It’s the insecure ones that you have to worry about.  The ones whose value depends on the admiration of others. But maybe you aren't aware of that?

i do not see why prostitution or drug dealing makes rest area's dangerous, unles you ignorantly apply an over bearing predatory personality norm to the situation which then superseeds any activity at all.

felt the need to add
RE 1952
in 1952 what % of working class americans had motor vehicles ?
thus those who had enough money to do 2 things
1 buy a motor vehicle
2 go on long driving holidays

designed small communitys of middle class people seeking somewhere to rest a large group of people.

modernity happend and now the "rest area" is frequented by single people.

the real question is "where are the smart people who should be getting paid to work for the government instead of the corrupt stupid people who are currently working for them?"

maintaining rest areas that pander directly to large groups of self defending people , BY DESIGN victimises the single traveller or the dual traveller, who has long since been the majority.

who is stealing your tax money ?
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