How Google Maps Almost Got Me Killed

[Secular Sanity]

That seems like a dubious assumption. Adaptations occur in response, which avoidance...huh, avoids.

As in avoiding death. You know, our flight response, our cries for help, warning signals, living in groups, etc.

Bathroom stalls don't stop bullets.

I’ve been in a stall before, where I looked down, and the feet next to mine were aiming in the wrong direction. You can't shoot them for simply following you into the restroom.

[Syne]

That seems like a dubious assumption. Adaptations occur in response, which avoidance...huh, avoids.

As in avoiding death.  You know, our flight response, our cries for help, warning signals, living in groups, etc.

Structural adaptations occur by means of natural selection, which involves interaction with the environment.
Avoidance of such pressures removes the impetus to adapt to them.

But you seem to be specifically talking about behavioral adaptations, which in many cases are learned behavior.
IOW, your avoidance of danger would only be a successful one if it actually kept you from the situations you found yourself in recently...any one of which could have been your end. Lacking the learned behavior not to wear yoga pants alone at night in the middle of nowhere, adapting to the danger in a proactive fashion would be preferable.

Bathroom stalls don't stop bullets.

I’ve been in a stall before, where I looked down, and the feet next to mine were aiming in the wrong direction.  You can't shoot them for simply following you into the restroom.

Of course not, silly, but someone trying to, or succeeding in, kicking the door in would.

[Secular Sanity]

Lacking the learned behavior not to wear yoga pants alone at night in the middle of nowhere, adapting to the danger in a proactive fashion would be preferable.

Almost all of our pants are made to accentuate our asses. My hiking pants look pretty good, too. I guess I could have worn a kaftan or a moo moo, but I don’t own one.

Of course not, silly, but someone trying to, or succeeding in, kicking the door in would.

It’s not like we don’t contemplate those scenarios, but when you reach that point, holding your pee seems a lot less risky, don’t you think?

[Syne]

Lacking the learned behavior not to wear yoga pants alone at night in the middle of nowhere, adapting to the danger in a proactive fashion would be preferable.

Almost all of our pants are made to accentuate our asses.  My hiking pants look pretty good, too.  I guess I could have worn a kaftan or a moo moo, but I don’t own one.

LOL! The yoga pants is probably the least detrimental part of a woman alone at night in the middle of nowhere.
And if you think yoga pants are comparable to any other pants, I can see why you might not have the best estimation of dangerous situations.

Of course not, silly, but someone trying to, or succeeding in, kicking the door in would.

It’s not like we don’t contemplate those scenarios, but when you reach that point, holding your pee seems a lot less risky, don’t you think?

The point is that you shouldn't have to be afraid to that extent. No one should. If more woman used guns to successfully defend themselves, fewer men would attempt such things. Just like well-armed cities have fewer home break-ins. They would adapt by learning to avoid behavior that could get them killed.

It's just a matter of if you want to have to adapt or if you'd rather be the pressure that forces others to adapt.

[Secular Sanity]

LOL! The yoga pants is probably the least detrimental part of a woman alone at night in the middle of nowhere.
And if you think yoga pants are comparable to any other pants, I can see why you might not have the best estimation of dangerous situations.  

Oh my god! Seriously?  

My yoga pants.

My hiking pants.

The point is that you shouldn't have to be afraid to that extent. No one should. If more woman used guns to successfully defend themselves, fewer men would attempt such things. Just like well-armed cities have fewer home break-ins. They would adapt by learning to avoid behavior that could get them killed.

It's just a matter of if you want to have to adapt or if you'd rather be the pressure that forces others to adapt.

Had it had been only one guy sitting on the retaining wall, he probably wouldn’t have said anything to me, but it was two guys.  Who was he trying to impress?  Not me, that’s for damn sure.  

I have a better idea.  Why don’t you guys put the pressure on each other to adapt by having enough balls to tell your friends that it’s not cool to treat women like that.

[RainbowUnicorn]

That seems like a dubious assumption. Adaptations occur in response, which avoidance...huh, avoids.

As in avoiding death.  You know, our flight response, our cries for help, warning signals, living in groups, etc.

Bathroom stalls don't stop bullets.

I’ve been in a stall before, where I looked down, and the feet next to mine were aiming in the wrong direction.  You can't shoot them for simply following you into the restroom.

the more i think about it the more it seems that a bathroom/restroom per say is by its very nature a device intended to create a victim.
when you comply to the modes of conformity & compliance when civility & decency are abandon, you do yourself injustice.
P.S
BadAides dont fix bathroom stalls
Yoga pants FTU

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I have a better idea.  Why don’t you guys put the pressure on each other to adapt by having enough balls to tell your friends that it’s not cool to treat women like that.

this is fairly rare because good breeding is also fairly rare.
mostly... individuals must acclimatise to the group behaviour to be accepted thus symbolism like chest beating comes in many forms.
lower the intellect the louder the chest beating.
When power & control are modelled as absolutes to be culturally labelled as assertiveness when applied to child like survival instincts...
its an add water and stir thing.

teaching if not demanding parents how to raise their teenagers is the only real path to address the cultural behaviour issue.
however, most societys are not advanced enough to be able to do that yet.

[Syne]

LOL! The yoga pants is probably the least detrimental part of a woman alone at night in the middle of nowhere.
And if you think yoga pants are comparable to any other pants, I can see why you might not have the best estimation of dangerous situations.  

Oh my god! Seriously?  

My yoga pants.

My hiking pants.

LOL! Make up your mind:

"Two guys were sitting on a retaining wall, and one said, "Hey, gorgeous." Right then I thought, oh shit, I shouldn’t have worn the yoga pants."

So which is it? Seems you thought the yoga pants were an issue.

And FYI, yes, the yoga pants would get more attention from guys. Maybe you don't know any straight guys?

The point is that you shouldn't have to be afraid to that extent. No one should. If more woman used guns to successfully defend themselves, fewer men would attempt such things. Just like well-armed cities have fewer home break-ins. They would adapt by learning to avoid behavior that could get them killed.

It's just a matter of if you want to have to adapt or if you'd rather be the pressure that forces others to adapt.

Had it had been only one guy sitting on the retaining wall, he probably wouldn’t have said anything to me, but it was two guys.  Who was he trying to impress?  Not me, that’s for damn sure.  

I have a better idea.  Why don’t you guys put the pressure on each other to adapt by having enough balls to tell your friends that it’s not cool to treat women like that.

That same guy would've likely said something, even if alone. It could just be a way to gauge your openness. Do you know the kinds of women who frequent rest areas at night and alone? Ever hear of a lot-lizard?

Good guys don't associate with potential rapists, so I'm not sure how you expect us to influence them. Certainly, if we know about it, we're quick to seriously beat their ass. But maybe you're just opposed to being spoken to by strangers? Would it have been less creepy for them to both silently watch you (kind of like the guy who pulled up next to your car)? Is a guy that says "hey, gorgeous" a bad guy? Is that an inherently harmful compliment or was it just the setting?

If it's the setting, you have to ask yourself whether going there was a good decision...and whether your avoidance is quite honed enough.

[Secular Sanity]

LOL! Make up your mind:

"Two guys were sitting on a retaining wall, and one said, "Hey, gorgeous."  Right then I thought, oh shit, I shouldn’t have worn the yoga pants."

So which is it? Seems you thought the yoga pants were an issue.  

Well, it's less of an issue if you weigh over 300 lbs, isn't it? So, it's not the pants.  It's my figure.

And FYI, yes, the yoga pants would get more attention from guys.

Really?  I didn’t know they were so hazardous.  Maybe I should sue the maker.

Maybe you don't know any straight guys?

That same guy would've likely said something, even if alone. It could just be a way to gauge your openness. Do you know the kinds of women who frequent rest areas at night and alone? Ever hear of a lot-lizard?

That didn't happen at the rest area.  It was a gas station, not a truck stop.  Besides, I haven't seen any lot lizards or street walkers in years.  They don't have to walk the streets.  They all have cell phones now.

And no, I think it’s something men do to mainly to impress other men, which leads me to believe that deep down, all of you have homosexual tendencies.

Good guys don't associate with potential rapists, so I'm not sure how you expect us to influence them. Certainly, if we know about it, we're quick to seriously beat their ass.

I don’t know how accurate they are, but I have seen stats showing that 1-16 men are rapists and 1-3 would do it if they knew they could get away with it.  How many male friends do you have?

[Syne]

LOL! Make up your mind:

"Two guys were sitting on a retaining wall, and one said, "Hey, gorgeous."  Right then I thought, oh shit, I shouldn’t have worn the yoga pants."

So which is it? Seems you thought the yoga pants were an issue.  

Well, it's less of an issue if you weigh over 300 lbs, isn't it? So, it's not the pants.  It's my figure.

So...now you're jumping, non-sequitur, from your specific case to the general?
And yes, even on land-whales yoga pants differ from hiking pants...only to the opposite reaction.

And FYI, yes, the yoga pants would get more attention from guys.

Really?  I didn’t know they were so hazardous.  Maybe I should sue the maker.

So any attention from guys is a bad thing?

And no, I think it’s something men to do to mainly to impress other men, which leads me to believe that deep down, all of you have homosexual tendencies.

Misandrist much?
Go on any internet dating site. You'll find plenty of that, and much much worse, without any male audience.

Good guys don't associate with potential rapists, so I'm not sure how you expect us to influence them. Certainly, if we know about it, we're quick to seriously beat their ass.

I don’t how accurate they are, but I have seen stats showing that 1-16 men are rapists and 1-3 would do it if they knew they could get away with it.

Bullshit stats from a source you conveniently can't cite for critique. Sounds like misandrist propaganda...just like the 1-in-4 women on college campus.

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I’m taking a little break from the forum. I need it. The weather is great and I’m going to do a little hiking myself.  Nowhere near that area, though.  If you have any questions, or if you stumble onto something that you think I might find interesting, shoot me a PM.

Whatever happened to this?

[Secular Sanity]

Jesus, Syne, are trying to make feel like shit for just being a woman?  I should be able to be butt ass naked and not have to worry about being attacked.

Go on any internet dating site. You'll find plenty of that, and much much worse, without any male audience.

I wouldn’t know. I’ve never been on a dating site.  Why would I, when I can just go to a gas station?

Bullshit stats from a source you conveniently can't cite for critique. Sounds like misandrist propaganda...just like the 1-in-4 women on college campus.  

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I don't really care if they're accurate or not.  The point is that our risk assessment is way more in depth than yours.  So, be courteous and give us some space.  

I should take a break because you're starting to annoy me...again.  

It all worked out.  All’s well that ends well, right?