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Weirder things I would never believed

#11
Syne Offline
(Dec 2, 2016 05:03 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:No strawman, because you continue to demonstrate exactly what I said in my first post. You're still assuming that all secondhand knowledge is equally valid. You would have been better off just agreeing with that assessment. Instead, you laughingly claimed you could verify secondhand knowledge....with more secondhand knowledge. And since you've just agreed with the difference between this list and science (bolded above), I'm not sure what you're arguing about. You seem to wholly agree with me.

Like I pointed out, it isn't the mere possibility of the confirmation of facts that determines their truth. Afterall, it is certainly possible to confirm many ufo sightings with videos and multiple eyewitnesses and trace data. What is required is actual first hand confirmation, which isn't provided by science at all. All the data we get from science is second hand, unless you're claiming you've confirmed salmon runs and whale cries and photon/wave duality and black holes yourself. I doubt it though.

Again, you cannot confirm a cause the evidence doesn't directly speak to. UFO literally means unidentified. So do you assume these are terrestrial in origin, or do you make the wholly unevidenced leap to extraterrestrial origins? Scientific facts not only entail firsthand confirmation but also repeatable firsthand confirmation. You do know that scientific knowledge comes from many firsthand observations, right? You do know that anyone can learn where to go or what to do to verify these for themselves, right? Or are you just as scientifically illiterate as you seem?

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Quote:Did you miss where I just contrasted "scientific fact" with "actual"? Are you claiming that any actual event qualifies as scientific fact?

I'm responding to your insane claim that "just because something happened doesn't make it fact." Ofcourse it does. Everything that happens is a fact of the world, whether science has confirmed it or not. Your whole life consists of unverifiable things that happened that are factual. They really happened. And it is a fact that they happened and were real events. There's no way around this.

Yeah, and to make that argument you have to equivocate "scientific fact" with "actual".
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#12
Magical Realist Online
Quote:Again, you cannot confirm a cause the evidence doesn't directly speak to. UFO literally means unidentified. So do you assume these are terrestrial in origin, or do you make the wholly unevidenced leap to extraterrestrial origins? Scientific facts not only entail firsthand confirmation but also repeatable firsthand confirmation. You do know that scientific knowledge comes from many firsthand observations, right? You do know that anyone can learn where to go or what to do to verify these for themselves, right? Or are you just as scientifically illiterate as you seem.

Actually ufo has come to mean flying saucer or any unidentifiable object not natural or manmade. That's why you can go to the store and pick up any book on ufos and know it is about otherworldly manifestations and not meteors or swamp gas or weather balloons. Whether it is extraterrestrial is open to speculation. It's not what I assert. I think they are forms of energy manipulated by conscious nonhuman beings. Yes, I do know science comes from firsthand observation, as indeed do ufo data. At least reputedly so. So what? It's still second hand knowledge until you actually make the observations yourself.

Quote:Yeah, and to make that argument you have to equivocate "scientific fact" with "actual".

A fact is a fact whether it's scientific or not. The daily newspaper is filled with them, as are our daily lives.
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#13
Syne Offline
(Dec 2, 2016 06:18 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Again, you cannot confirm a cause the evidence doesn't directly speak to. UFO literally means unidentified. So do you assume these are terrestrial in origin, or do you make the wholly unevidenced leap to extraterrestrial origins? Scientific facts not only entail firsthand confirmation but also repeatable firsthand confirmation. You do know that scientific knowledge comes from many firsthand observations, right? You do know that anyone can learn where to go or what to do to verify these for themselves, right? Or are you just as scientifically illiterate as you seem.

Actually ufo has come to mean flying saucer or any unidentifiable object not natural or manmade. That's why you can go to the store and pick up any book on ufos and know it is about otherworldly manifestations and not meteors or swamp gas or weather balloons. Whether it is extraterrestrial is open to speculation. It's not what I assert. I think they are forms of energy manipulated by conscious nonhuman beings. Yes, I do know science comes from firsthand observation, as indeed do ufo data. At least reputedly so. So what? It's still second hand knowledge until you actually make the observations yourself.

Quote:Yeah, and to make that argument you have to equivocate "scientific fact" with "actual".

A fact is a fact whether it's scientific or not. The daily newspaper is filled with them.

Thanks for once again completely allaying anyone's misapprehension that you have any clue about science. You're doing your band of tin foil helmeted kin proud.
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#14
Magical Realist Online
UFO sightings over Turkey 11 28 16:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nf6lcitoIw

"Alright, I’m trying to zoom in to show you now. It is November 28, 2016, Sunday night. It’s around 2:20 a.m. right now. The object you’re seeing is in the skies of Esenler (Istanbul). I’m recording it right now. Many people like me have crowded here. We’ve informed the authorities and they’ve told us they’re dealing with the situation. It is a yellow object. We suspect it’s a UFO. It gives off a light and is in motion. Right now it’s stationary actually but it moves position every few minutes. Very interesting."

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2016/11/ma...sh-cities/
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#15
Syne Offline
That's a fancy looking Chinese fire lantern.
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#16
Zinjanthropos Offline
(Dec 2, 2016 09:27 PM)Syne Wrote: That's a fancy looking Chinese fire lantern.

There are some nice ones. We watched one at night over the lake and it was amazing how it just hung there for quite awhile. Eventually it slowly made it way to shore into a wooded area. I was afraid it might start a fire. It didn't and we found it next morning. Nobody owned up to it.
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#17
Magical Realist Online
(Dec 2, 2016 09:27 PM)Syne Wrote: That's a fancy looking Chinese fire lantern.

With retracting spoked white lights..yeah..that's it. Rolleyes
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Syne Offline
(Dec 2, 2016 09:36 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Dec 2, 2016 09:27 PM)Syne Wrote: That's a fancy looking Chinese fire lantern.

With retracting spoked white lights..yeah..that's it. Rolleyes

No, just some reflective streamers from the top.
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#19
Magical Realist Online
(Dec 2, 2016 09:39 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Dec 2, 2016 09:36 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Dec 2, 2016 09:27 PM)Syne Wrote: That's a fancy looking Chinese fire lantern.

With retracting spoked white lights..yeah..that's it. Rolleyes

No, just some reflective streamers from the top.

Yep...reflections. That's it. Rolleyes
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#20
Syne Offline
LOL. You can see the hoop at the bottom and the flame suspended in the middle...the balloon going up from there...the reflectors dimming and brightening as their angle changes...the way they blow about randomly. LOL.
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