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Nov 21, 2016 08:05 PM
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(Nov 21, 2016 05:04 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: (Nov 21, 2016 04:32 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: A grainy photo of a paranormal event is still a photo of a paranormal event. Particularly when it is backed by eyewitness accounts. There are hundreds of photos of paranormal phenomena online. You just have to educate yourself about it first.
MR, don't you ever ask why the event has a grainy picture, or why are there curtains, a stage, or why the events such as this one don't take place in an impartial setting? WHat about the person? What do you know of them? Their background, history, criminal record, motive? Why does Chi Master Chang fail or refuse to perform when skeptics are about?
There's no business like show business like no business I know. People in the street have been known to treat actors they recognize, as the characters they play on TV or the movies. Why are you so insistent this chicanery is real? And even if it was, then where does paranormal fit in?
I only ask why when it is relevant. Do I ask why the photo is grainy, as if someone made it that way on purpose? Ofcourse not. It's a magnification of an old photo, so ofcourse it's a little grainy. I did ask why mediums always require darkness to operate in, and I got the answer. Appparently ectoplasm disspates when exposed to light. Makes sense now. Also explains the failure of scientific attempts to get a sample of the stuff. Why did the chi master stop performing for the skeptics? Well he didn't in the beginning. And they were able to perform enough tests to learn his abilities were not being hoaxed. No metal plates in his body. Nothing in his house. He shocks them when he touches them. And he lights an LED he holds in his fingertips. A pure electrical energy summoned at will in his body that mysteriously defied measurement with a voltmeter. Science did it's job in this case and confirmed the existence of a new phenomenon. That's the kind of research we need with such phenomena. Willing openminded testing of it instead of outright dismissal of it as fraud.
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Nov 21, 2016 11:53 PM
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Shouldn't someone be able to take new photos that aren't grainy? What about having to whole room dark and use night-vision, so there's no need for a curtain? I mean, there are still people claiming to be mediums and still scientists who could take a look at their performance. Or is this like a Christian trying to justify why obvious, unquestionable miracles happened in Biblical times but not today?
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Nov 22, 2016 12:13 AM
(Nov 21, 2016 11:53 PM)Syne Wrote: Shouldn't someone be able to take new photos that aren't grainy? What about having to whole room dark and use night-vision, so there's no need for a curtain? I mean, there are still people claiming to be mediums and still scientists who could take a look at their performance. Or is this like a Christian trying to justify why obvious, unquestionable miracles happened in Biblical times but not today? 
I guarantee you any photo, and especially old photos that preclude photoshopping, will look grainy when magnified. It doesn't matter how clear the photo was. And infrared photos were taken of ectoplasm during a recent seance. It could be detected that way, but not with the naked eye. BTW, orbs in haunted locations usually show up on infrared in haunted locations during investigations. Same phenomenon? Maybe..
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Nov 22, 2016 12:19 AM
So where are these recent photos then?
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Nov 22, 2016 01:10 AM
Are those the infrared photos you mentioned?
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Nov 22, 2016 01:15 AM
(Nov 22, 2016 01:10 AM)Syne Wrote: Are those the infrared photos you mentioned?
There's many such photos. Want more?
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Nov 22, 2016 02:06 AM
(Nov 22, 2016 01:15 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: (Nov 22, 2016 01:10 AM)Syne Wrote: Are those the infrared photos you mentioned?
There's many such photos. Want more?
Yes please!
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Nov 22, 2016 02:17 AM
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(Nov 22, 2016 02:06 AM)Syne Wrote: (Nov 22, 2016 01:15 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: (Nov 22, 2016 01:10 AM)Syne Wrote: Are those the infrared photos you mentioned?
There's many such photos. Want more?
Yes please!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxr1IhhZGE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twI5Z-Lpn0Q
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Nov 22, 2016 03:34 AM
Good. Now go Google "infrared photos". Do you see any qualitative difference?
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