Will Iran regime fall, or just another umpteenth fail of protesters? (rerun hobbies)

Syne Offline
Iran never disclosed all their uranium or enrichment facilities, so Obama didn't know the real percentage and they couldn't be inspected... to find out they were already enriching uranium far beyond any civilian power uses.

IOW, Obama is either delusional, ignorant, or a liar. Because of Obama, Iran was on the verge of gaining nuclear weapons, which would hand them untouchable control of the Strait of Hormuz in perpetuity. Doubt it? Ask the UAE, Saudis, etc..
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Magical Realist Offline
"Obama had campaigned on a promise to ensure that Iran did not obtain a nuclear weapon. The negotiated agreement was signed in 2015 by the United States and Iran as well as China, Russia, France, Germany and the United Kingdom.

Under the deal, Iran agreed to refrain from pursuing nuclear weapons and to allow continuous monitoring of its compliance in exchange for relief from economic sanctions. Different parts of the agreement were scheduled to last between 10 and 25 years; some elements were to last indefinitely. Obama officials hoped for future renegotiations.

Iran agreed to relinquish 97% of its enriched uranium stockpile and 70% of its centrifuges, which are machines used to enrich uranium. It also agreed to stop plutonium production and to dismantle a plutonium reactor. If Iran broke any of these pledges, the other signatories would be able to reimpose sanctions, a process known as a "snapback" provision.

Some Democrats joined Republicans in opposing the agreement, but they did not have enough votes to block the deal. Critics said the agreement didn't address other actions by Iran, including support for terrorism, and that it posed a threat to Israel.

Over the 28 months the deal was in effect, the International Atomic Energy Agency said it found Iran committed no violations, aside from some minor infractions that were addressed.

When Trump ran for his first term, he echoed many of the critics' original concerns and promised to renegotiate the agreement.

He said he believed the deal should have allowed international weapons inspectors to have greater access to Iranian military sites. He also said it should have addressed Iran's missile program, including intercontinental ballistic missiles, which could reach the U.S. mainland. He also criticized the deal for failing to rein in Iran's support of sectarian violence in places such as Syria and Yemen.

In 2018, Trump pulled the U.S. out of the deal. The U.S. then imposed economic sanctions on Iran, and Iran reduced its compliance with the deal, including curbing compliance with international inspectors.

In 2025, Trump ordered the U.S. military to join Israel in bombing nuclear sites in Iran, seeking to end the nuclear program by force rather than negotiation. Then, on Feb. 28, Trump launched a new and larger air campaign that both sought to degrade Iran's military capabilities and take out many members of its political and military leadership.

Why the 2015 agreement did not allow Iran to legitimately possess a nuclear weapon

The problem with Trump's recent phrasings, experts said, is that he said the Iran nuclear agreement conferred upon Iran the right to have nuclear weapons, and to have those weapons legitimately. That's false.

The agreement was premised on Iran continuing to belong to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, or NPT, which requires Iran to agree to forgo developing or acquiring nuclear weapons.

By signing the 2015 agreement, Iran "explicitly committed not to have a nuclear weapon, reflecting their NPT commitment not to have one," said Richard Nephew, who worked for the U.S. government on Iranian issues during the Biden administration. "The entire purpose of the deal was to make sure that they could not do so."

While some aspects of the agreement would phase out after 10 to 25 years, "there was no sunset of the non-weapons obligation," he said.

This doesn't mean that, at some point, Iran couldn't have ended up with nuclear weapons — but if it did so, it would have occurred by contravening the agreement, not by exercising a right it granted.

"Any acquisition of nuclear weapons, under any circumstances, while Iran is a member of the NPT, cannot be regarded as 'legitimate,'" said Brendan Green, a University of Cincinnati political scientist who specializes in nuclear weapons policy.

In one scenario cited by the deal's critics, Iran, as a continuing signatory to the treaty, would have maintained the right to generate civilian nuclear energy. Ten years into the deal, the snapback provisions were scheduled to go away and Iran would have begun to get increasing rights to nuclear enrichment capabilities, Green said.

At that point, Iran could have spurned either the spirit or the letter of its agreements — or both — by diverting this nuclear enrichment material into weapons development. But that would have been contrary to the agreement, and contrary to the NPT — not something blessed by the agreement.

"If Iran abused that enrichment capability, it could be used to produce nuclear material necessary for a nuclear weapon," said Gary Samore, a politics professor at Brandeis University's Crown Center for Middle East Studies.

Even if it was "executed perfectly," Green said, the agreement "was always going to put Iran in a position where it would be able to sprint for a bomb if it chose to do so. The debate was about whether this was an acceptable outcome, or whether some kind of additional measures, ranging from war to further negotiations, would be necessary before the deal's expiration."

Our ruling

Trump said the nuclear agreement "gave (Iran) the right to have top-of-the-line nuclear weapons."

The nuclear agreement did not bless any Iranian "right" to nuclear weapons, top-of-the-line or otherwise. To the contrary, Iran could have acquired or developed a nuclear weapon by defying the terms of the nuclear agreement.

That's because the agreement was based on Iran's continued adherence to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which Iran signed in 1970. This treaty deems Iran a non-nuclear state, meaning it promised to forgo developing or acquiring nuclear weapons.

We rate the statement False."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/fact-...ar-weapons
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Syne Offline
The Obama/Biden Iran deal wasn't worth any more than Neville Chamberlain getting Hitler's signature. The agreement never had independent free access or full transparency of all nuclear materials and enrichment sites. So that was an agreement to "not look too hard," which was a tacit agreement to allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons... as long as they kept their existing secrets secret.

And agreement without full and unfettered access by inspectors was always meaningless.

Well, if you understand reality.
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Magical Realist Offline
“The JCPOA would absolutely not have allowed Iran to develop nuclear weapons,” Nephew said. “First of all, there were prohibitions; then there were transparency requirements; and, then, there were the risks of snapback and punishment” if Iran violated the terms.

Daryl G. Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association, a nonpartisan organization that provides analysis on arms control and national security issues, told us for an earlier story that the 2015 nuclear deal “established an array of limits on Iran’s uranium enrichment and uranium stockpiling” and a rigorous monitoring and verification program. After the Trump administration’s withdrawal from the deal, “Iran began to reconstitute its nuclear capabilities, including by deploying large numbers of advanced centrifuges and stockpiling” highly enriched uranium.

As we’ve explained before, the nuclear agreement, which took effect in 2016 and was signed by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council — China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States — and Germany, restricted Iran’s ability to enrich uranium for 15 years and required monitoring and inspections of Iranian facilities for the same amount of time.

Under the deal, Iran agreed to do away with much of its nuclear program and, in exchange, the signatories lifted sanctions, the Council on Foreign Relations explained.

Trump announced on May 8, 2018, that the U.S. would withdraw from the deal and reinstitute sanctions. About a year later, in July 2019, Iran had exceeded the limits on its stockpile of low-enriched uranium that had been set in the JCPOA, the International Atomic Energy Agency reported at the time. Iran’s foreign minister said the country would begin to enrich uranium beyond the low level allowed under the deal (3.67%), which was the level needed for civilian nuclear power."

“The JCPOA dramatically restricted Iran’s ability to produce fissile material and, in particular, not only placed a cap on the quantity of enriched uranium Iran could stockpile and on the level of enrichment, but required the dismantlement of 2/3 of its centrifuges and limited its ability to produce advanced centrifuges,” Rockwood said. “Iran simply would not have been able to enrich to the point of possessing over 400 kg of 60% enriched uranium had the JCPOA remained in place.”------ https://www.factcheck.org/2026/03/trumps...velopment/
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Syne Offline
Is it just boundless gullibility?
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C C Offline
Most sources only mention the two heavy water violations by Iran in 2016. The one below adds ballistic missiles. The rest are criticisms about things supposedly taking place outside JCPOA territory.

While there were those infractions in 2016, the Iran nuclear deal arguably just didn't last long enough to solidly determine or prognosticate whether Iran would keep its commitments over the long haul or not. Evaluators who had positive beliefs about the JCPOA beforehand continued to interpret data in that fashion. Analysts who had a cynical orientation about the JCPOA beforehand continued to interpret data that way.

After the US withdrew from the agreement in 2018, Iran accordingly started behaving contrarily in a more overt manner.
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Iran’s record of violations in 2016, after JCPOA was instituted
https://irannewsupdate.com/news/nuclear/...ter-jcpoa/

EXCERPT: In February 2016 as Iran exceeded its threshold for heavy water, used to produce nuclear weapons. In November 2016, according to a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), Iran once again violated the deal by holding more heavy water than permitted.

Iran faced no consequences for either violation.

In 2016, Iran significantly ratcheted up its production of ballistic missiles, it test-fired at least eight ballistic missiles, each capable of carrying multiple nuclear heads. This is a blatant violation of the nuclear deal, as well as United Nations resolutions 1929 and 2231. The JCPOA states that Iran mustn’t undertake any ballistic missile activity “until the date eight years after the JCPOA Adoption Day or until the date on which the IAEA submits a report confirming the Broader Conclusion, whichever is earlier.”

The UN Security Council resolution (Paragraph 3 of Annex B of resolution 2231 of 2015) is clear. The resolution “calls upon Iran not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology.”

Another UN Security Council resolution, 1929, also states, “Iran shall not undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using ballistic missile technology, and that States shall take all necessary measures to prevent the transfer of technology or technical assistance to Iran related to such activities.”

It is accurate to argue that the Obama Administration’s appeasement policies towards Iran, gave Tehran tremendous financial relief. Meanwhile, Iran’s Supreme leader Khamenei instigated more anti-American sentiments and continued lashing out at the “Great Satan“. Iran publicly harassed the US Navy, detained US sailors, and imprisoned several American citizens. Khamenei has also threatened Israel repeatedly and made remarks about wiping Israel from the face of earth in less than 8 minutes. In December 2016, Khamenei stated that Israel would not exist in 25 years. He even published a book laying out a plan on how to destroy Israel.

As Tehran became more heavily armed, it increased its interventions in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and intensified its assistance to its Shiite proxies and Bashar al Assad, bolstering the “Shia axis”. Iran also increased strategic and tactical cooperation with Russia to undermine US interests, strengthening the Russia-China-Iran axis.

Finally, when it comes to human rights, Iran set some of the worst records since this regime’s establishment in 1979. Human Rights Watch say that in 2016 Iran escalated the mass executions of minorities, as well as the imprisonment of human rights and political activists. Iran ranks top in the world for executions per capita, and according to Amnesty International, Iran is the world’s leading executioner of juveniles.
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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:Most sources only mention the two heavy water violations by Iran in 2016. The one below adds ballistic missiles. The rest are criticisms about things supposedly taking place outside JCPOA territory.

Pretty sure Iran started stockpiling weapons-grade uranium during those 8 years it was no longer being monitored and not when it was being monitored during its 3 years under the JCPOA. And we have Trump to thank for that.
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Syne Offline

Technically, the known, operational commercial-scale uranium enrichment facilities (Natanz and Fordow) were accounted for under the JCPOA, but Iran concealed a parallel nuclear archive and stored nuclear material at undeclared, covert sites during and prior to the agreement.
- Gemini

Is it just willful ignorance? I mean, anyone can readily Google this info.
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Magical Realist Offline
Pretty sure playing the nut and shell game with JCPOA inspectors with some limited amount of uranium doesn't come close to the amount Trump enabled them to start enriching and stock-piling after 2018.
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Syne Offline
You have no idea, because no one does, since no inspectors knew or saw it.
It only takes one nuclear weapon to be a serious threat.
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