Will Iran regime fall, or just another umpteenth fail of protesters? (rerun hobbies)

Syne Offline
(Mar 29, 2026 08:50 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Threatening and then not making good on the threat like resetting deadlines and changing your offer is seen as bluster and a sign of weakness not strength. That's Trump's "Art of Deal"--- exposing yourself as a manipulative liar with nothing of substance to say, no end game, and who just can't be trusted. It's why most Americans hate him. And it's why Iran is gaining an upper hand over him.

No, when you get something out of your threats, they clearly work. And the enemy knows it.
You're buying into propaganda if you think Iran is starting to win.
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Quote:No, when you get something out of your threats, they clearly work.

No it didn't. He said he'd bomb Iran's power plants unless they open the strait. They refused, and he withdrew the threat. IOW he caved. And that's weakness. He also keeps saying Iran is begging for a deal. Which is a flat out lie. If they were it would be in the press and publicized to everyone, not some secret only Trump knows. Trump clearly has no idea what he is doing and has no way to get out of it. I don't know if it's because he's just stupid or doesn't listen to anybody's advice. Probably a combination of both.
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Syne Offline
(Mar 29, 2026 10:04 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:No, when you get something out of your threats, they clearly work.

No it didn't. He said he'd bomb Iran's power plants unless they open the strait. They refused, and he withdrew the threat. IOW he caved. And that's weakness. He also keeps saying Iran is begging for a deal. Which is a flat out lie. If they were it would be in the press and publicized to everyone, not some secret only Trump knows. Trump clearly has no idea what he is doing and has no way to get out of it. I don't know if it's because he's just stupid or doesn't listen to anybody's advice. Probably a combination of both.

That's only if you believe that the intent was to get the lying, evil Iran regime to play nice. 9_9
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Nothing like starting off negotiations with "a new and more reasonable regime" with threats of absolute destruction!


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"This morning, Trump posted a threat that reads like a war crimes checklist. He threatened to destroy Iran’s electric generating plants, oil wells, Kharg Island, and (in his words) “possibly all desalinization plants.”

Let’s be clear about what that means under international law. Electric generating plants power hospitals, water treatment facilities, and homes. Destroying them as retribution not military necessity, is a violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 147, which prohibits “extensive destruction of property carried out unlawfully and wantonly.”

Desalination plants are how tens of millions of Iranians drink water. Threatening to destroy them isn’t a military strategy. It’s threatening to use thirst as a weapon. The UN Security Council unanimously passed Resolution 2573 explicitly condemning the destruction of objects indispensable to civilian survival and calling it a war crime.

The retribution framing isn’t incidental it’s the problem. Under international humanitarian law, political, psychological, and moral advantages don’t qualify as legitimate military objectives.

Trump isn’t even pretending this is about military necessity. He said it’s payback for 47 years of grievances.

That’s collective punishment. That’s prohibited under the Geneva Conventions. That’s what we prosecuted people for at Nuremberg.

The administration currently threatening to prosecute its political enemies posted an open threat this morning that would be referred to The Hague if carried out by any other leader on earth."
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Syne Offline
"More reasonable" doesn't mean a Western-style desire for peace, good faith negotiations, or even understanding anything but threats of force and projected power. In Iran's case, "more reasonable" could simply mean willing to make any concessions at all.
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Quote:More reasonable" doesn't mean a Western-style desire for peace, good faith negotiations, or even understanding anything but threats of force and projected power.

No..that was the old regime. Calling the new regime more reasonable means they will negotiate and don't have to be threatened or bullied like untrained dogs. Trump himself claims they are so receptive to his peace plan even though they deny it. Are you saying he's lying now?
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Syne Offline
(Mar 31, 2026 05:06 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:More reasonable" doesn't mean a Western-style desire for peace, good faith negotiations, or even understanding anything but threats of force and projected power.

No..that was the old regime. Calling the new regime more reasonable means they will negotiate and don't have to be threatened or bullied like untrained dogs. Trump himself claims they are so receptive to his peace plan even though they deny it. Are you saying he's lying now?

That doesn't follow. Even marginally "more reasonable" is still more reasonable.

Where did Trump say they were "so receptive"? @_@
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European Airbus satellite photo of the Ardakan yellowcake plant in Iran. This is/was a uranium refinery that turns raw uranium ore into uranium oxide that (after further chemical processing into uranium hexafluoride) can be used in gas-centrifuge isotope enrichment. The two destroyed buildings were the primary and secondary processing buildings.


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American Maxar satellite photo of the plant before it was blown up


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Satellite imagery released by Iran (probably provided by Chinese or Russian satellites) shows widepread damage at U.S. Army Camp Buehring in Kuwait, following Iranian rocket/drone strikes. The camp had largely been evacuated prior to the war, so damage is probably confined to whatever the destroyed structures contained, if anything.


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Huge explosions were seen close to Isfahan on the other side of a nearby mountain. There was a massive fireball followed by a mushroom cloud, that got all the excitable Iranians talking about a tactical nuclear weapon. What it really seems to have been was an attack on a large artillery ammunition storage area for the Iranian 44th and 55th artillery groups. After the initial explosion, secondary explosions could be seen cooking off. Satellite photos seem to show ALL of the ammunition bunkers, trucks and artillery that were there simply... gone.


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Smoke seen rising from the direction of the Shiraz Electronic Industries factory in Shiraz


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