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Syne
Yesterday 06:39 AM
Methodological Concerns: Critics argue that many of these studies, including those by Jack Turban, rely on cross-sectional data from the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey. They note that this method cannot prove causality and may be subject to recall bias or "p-hacking".
Lack of Control Groups: Some researchers point out that many studies lack a comparison group of individuals who sought but did not receive care, making it difficult to distinguish the effects of treatment from other factors like family support.
While there are longitudinal studies, they are often criticized for being short-term or having low-certainty evidence. The research field does not completely lack longitudinal data, but it lacks the high-quality, long-term studies typically required for firm medical conclusions.
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Magical Realist
Yesterday 06:54 AM
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Oh so you trust a non-conscious LLM as an authority do you?
"Studies consistently show that gender-affirming therapy (GAT) significantly improves mental health and well-being for transgender and gender-diverse individuals, reducing depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation while boosting self-esteem, with strong evidence from major medical organizations supporting its effectiveness, especially for youth, leading to better quality of life outcomes. While some early research had limitations, the overall body of evidence points to positive effects, with no evidence of harm to overall well-being, though barriers like cost and access remain significant challenges.
Key Findings from Studies
Reduced Mental Health Issues: Access to gender-affirming hormones and puberty blockers is linked to lower rates of depression, anxiety, and self-harm/suicidal thoughts in youth.
Improved Well-being: Positive outcomes include higher self-esteem, better relationship satisfaction, improved body congruence, and overall enhanced quality of life.
Long-Term Benefits: Research indicates that benefits, such as reduced mental health service use, continue to accrue over time after starting care, note this Cornell Chronicle article and this National Institutes of Health (NIH) study.
Evidence for Adults: Studies on adults also find positive impacts on quality of life and mental health from hormone therapy.
Consensus Among Organizations: Major medical bodies like the Endocrine Society, American Academy of Pediatrics, and WPATH endorse GAT, citing these benefits.
Misinformation: Some studies face criticism, but analyses of large datasets show strong consensus for positive outcomes.
Barriers to Care: Despite evidence, access remains a problem due to stigma, costs, provider shortages, and bans, which themselves negatively impact mental health.
Study Quality: While some early studies had methodological flaws, more rigorous recent research confirms positive effects, with some reviews noting few significant negative outcomes.
In summary, the scientific consensus, supported by numerous studies, is that gender-affirming care is effective and crucial for the health and well-being of transgender and gender-diverse individuals."
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Syne
Yesterday 07:54 AM
"Major medical bodies like the Endocrine Society, American Academy of Pediatrics, and WPATH [World Professional Association for Transgender Health] endorse GAT, citing these benefits."
Yeah, the activists and people who directly profit from it.
You'd have to cite your "more rigorous recent research," as I already addressed the Jack Turban research you posted.
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Yazata
Yesterday 08:37 AM
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US Department of Health and Human Services report on treatment for pediatric gender dysphoria.
Short 11 page summary:
https://opa.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/...ummary.pdf
The full 410 page report
https://opa.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/...report.pdf
(From the summary p. 4ff)
"This review is published against the backdrop of growing international concern about pediatric medical transition. Having recognized the experimental nature of these medical interventions and their potential for harm (which has been inadequately studied, especially with respect to long term outcomes), health authorities in a number of countries have imposed restrictions. For example, the UK has banned the routine use of puberty blockers as an intervention for pediatric gender dysphoria.
Health authorities have also recognized the exceptional nature of this area of medicine. That exceptionalism is due to a convergence of factors. One is that the diagnosis of gender dysphoria is based entirely on subjective self-reports and behavioral observations, without any physical, imaging or laboratory markers. The diagnosis centers on attitudes, feelings and behaviors that are known to fluctuate during adolescence.
Additionally, the natural history of pediatric gender dysphoria is poorly understood, though existing research suggests it will remit without intervention in most cases...
Nevertheless, the "gender affirming" model of care includes irreversible endocrine and surgical interventions on minors with no physical pathology. These interventions carry risks of significant harms including infertility/sterility, sexual dysfunction, impaired bone density accrual, adverse cognitive impacts, cardiovascular disease and metabolic disorders, psychiatric disorders, surgical complications, and regret, and there has been inadequate research into the frequency and severity of these harms. Meanwhile, systematic reviews of the evidence have revealed deep uncertainty about the purported benefits of these interventions."
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confused2
Yesterday 05:07 PM
Musk claims he was tricked into doing the wrong thing for his child.
The child claims he wasn't tricked and he did the right thing for him/her.
Who to believe?
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/e...rcna163665
“I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father [Elon Musk] in any way, shape or form,” she said in the court filing.
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C C
Yesterday 07:10 PM
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(Yesterday 05:07 PM)confused2 Wrote: Musk claims he was tricked into doing the wrong thing for his child.
The child claims he wasn't tricked and he did the right thing for him/her.
Who to believe?
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/e...rcna163665
“I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father [Elon Musk] in any way, shape or form,” she said in the court filing.
It can work out the opposite way with "experts" on human subjects (guinea pigs) and obeying their advice, too (below). Kind of like psychics or whatever racket being dependent on gambling with probability and fishing with generalities. As long as one is getting it right up to half the time, one is a specialist marvel.
What we know about Nick Reiner
https://www.latimes.com/california/story...with-world
EXCERPT: During the interview, Rob Reiner said he regretted valuing the advice of counselors over the voice of his son.
“When Nick would tell us that it wasn’t working for him, we wouldn’t listen,” he said. “We were desperate, and because the people had diplomas on their wall, we listened to them when we should have been listening to our son.”
Michele added: “We were so influenced by these people. They would tell us he’s a liar, that he was trying to manipulate us. And we believed them.”
Nick talked about the many different rehab centers and programs he tried without success. In 2016, he told People magazine that he lived on the streets because he refused to go to the rehab facilities his parents recommended.
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confused2
Yesterday 09:39 PM
(Yesterday 07:10 PM)C C Wrote: (Yesterday 05:07 PM)confused2 Wrote: Musk claims he was tricked into doing the wrong thing for his child.
The child claims he wasn't tricked and he did the right thing for him/her.
Who to believe?
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/e...rcna163665
“I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father [Elon Musk] in any way, shape or form,” she said in the court filing.
It can work out the opposite way with "experts" on human subjects (guinea pigs) and obeying their advice, too (below). Kind of like psychics or whatever racket being dependent on gambling with probability and fishing with generalities. As long as one is getting it right up to half the time, one is a specialist marvel.
What we know about Nick Reiner
https://www.latimes.com/california/story...with-world
EXCERPT: During the interview, Rob Reiner said he regretted valuing the advice of counselors over the voice of his son.
“When Nick would tell us that it wasn’t working for him, we wouldn’t listen,” he said. “We were desperate, and because the people had diplomas on their wall, we listened to them when we should have been listening to our son.”
Michele added: “We were so influenced by these people. They would tell us he’s a liar, that he was trying to manipulate us. And we believed them.”
Nick talked about the many different rehab centers and programs he tried without success. In 2016, he told People magazine that he lived on the streets because he refused to go to the rehab facilities his parents recommended.
Yah! It's complicated!
An expert is someone who claims to have a better than 50% (random) success rate - this isn't a claim to a 100% success rate.
Proles only count the things they are intended to count - generally this will be fails by people the establishment wishes to eliminate.
Musk has a high credibility factor among proles - his child has zero prolecred so (regardless of fact) he/she will be counted as a fail.
The combined weight of the Musk and Reiner failures is sufficient to reduce the 'expert' prolecred factor to zero. It follows that the average prole is better at predicting outcomes than experts.
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