How new technology and AI are helping us study uaps..

#11
Magical Realist Online
Quote:weakness of eyewitnesses

Multiple eyewitness accounts are compelling evidence in history, news events, criminal prosecutions, car accident reports, customer product and business reviews, and the biographical events of people's lives. It's no less so with uaps.
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#12
Syne Offline
(Yesterday 02:39 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:weakness of eyewitnesses

Multiple eyewitness accounts are compelling evidence in history, news events, criminal prosecutions, car accident reports, customer product and business reviews, and the biographical events of people's lives. It's no less so with uaps.

Yep, for mundane facts and events. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That you can't seem to differentiate those is ridiculous.
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#13
Magical Realist Online
Quote:Yep, for mundane facts and events. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

So speaketh Saint Sagan as fondly quoted by the skeptical movement, a movement he openly despised. I debunked that truism long ago as moving the goal posts since there is no objective definition given by skeptics for extraordinary. As if there ever could be extraordinary evidence for anything, much less an elusive phenomenon like uaps. When the AARO came out a few years ago testifying before Congress that 4 meter metallic spheres traveling up to Mach 2 and emitting RF signals were being seen and filmed all over the world, that pretty much cinched the deal. We are now living in the age of trying to figure out what these things are and what the govt has long known about them. Hence all the scientific projects/groups now studying them and taking them seriously.
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Syne Offline
Like I said, you not being able to differentiate the mundane from the extraordinary (a simple dichotomy between the everyday and the extremely rare or odd) is just ridiculous... but very expected of the illiterate. There absolutely is extraordinary evidence. Electricity making dead muscles move, the moon landing, reaching the wreckage of the Titanic, etc.. All extraordinary things that no one should accept without extraordinary evidence. So far, there is no such compelling evidence for UFOs. If there were, they'd be just as much mundane facts as these other formerly extraordinary things.
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#15
Magical Realist Online
Quote:If there were, they'd be just as much mundane facts as these other formerly extraordinary things.

They are not not mundane because no one is seeing them. Over the past 80 years there have been tens of thousands of accounts, photos, videos, radar trackings and medically documented physical effects on eyewitnesses of this phenomenon. The reason they are not mundane is because they behave and appear to be something totally beyond what we know and are used to. And they continue to defy all our attempts to identify them. That's the neat thing about truly anomalous phenomena. They can never be mundane because they are otherworldly by their very nature. Just like psychic abilities, ghosts, sasquatch, synchronicities, healings, possessions, OOBEs, abductions, and mystical experiences. They will never be mundane until we accept the existence of these other realms beyond this physical one we are so used to.
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Syne Offline
Yet the extraordinary has become mundane countless time throughout history... when actual science is involved.
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#17
Magical Realist Online
The difference between extraordinary and mundane is just a matter of what we get used to. But one discovery we haven't gotten used to is quantum theory. That is the gift that just keeps on giving. Uaps will probably be like that. Consciousness also..
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#18
Syne Offline
Nope, you clearly still don't understand the simple distinction between the mundane and the extraordinary.
We are intimately familiar with consciousness and have been exposed to quantum weirdness... and it being roundly verified... for decades. That makes both mundane... not rare at all. For UFOs to reach that level of familiarity, we would have to have either universal personal experience with them or scientific verification of them. The latter could possibly happen, but it's hindered by all the UFO nuts derailing actual scientific inquiry with their zealous presumptions... which will likely be reflected in any AI trained to accept eyewitness reports as credible scientific data.
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#19
Magical Realist Online
Quote:We are intimately familiar with consciousness and have been exposed to quantum weirdness... and it being roundly verified... for decades. That makes both mundane..

No it doesn't. That something happens doesn't mean it is mundane. It's that we understand how it happens. Consciousness continues to defy all mundane explanations, implying the necessity of a total rehaul of our concept of reality by being fundamental to its very nature. And quantum phenomena likewise continue to defy mundane/classical causes in its empirically confirmed properties of nonlocality, wave-particle duality, entanglement, quantum teleportation, quantum tunneling, superposition of states, and the indeterminacy and observer-dependency of wavefunction collapse. The more we learn about it the weirder it becomes, which is precisely what happens when a phenomenon like uaps is studied and learned about. All these phenomena point to the utter inadequacy of physicalist theories to explain them. This suggests a working definition of "extraordinary phenomenon" as any one that repeatedly happens in spite of being outside our current scientific/naturalist paradigm.
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Syne Offline
No, simpleton, everything you routinely interact with is mundane. Even as a child, when you don't understand how pictures are on a TV or how music is made from a disc with grooves in it. Understanding has nothing to do with whether something is mundane.

mundane : characterized by the practical, transitory, and ordinary : commonplace

You don't have to "understand how it happens." It's mundane because it's commonplace and ordinary (notice this being the direct opposite of extraordinary).
Consciousness is an ordinary experience for every human. QM is ordinary physics.

No wonder you're a leftist, illiterate.
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