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Today 02:39 AM
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Quote:weakness of eyewitnesses
Multiple eyewitness accounts are compelling evidence in history, news events, criminal prosecutions, car accident reports, customer product and business reviews, and the biographical events of people's lives. It's no less so with uaps.
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Today 04:04 AM
(Today 02:39 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Quote:weakness of eyewitnesses
Multiple eyewitness accounts are compelling evidence in history, news events, criminal prosecutions, car accident reports, customer product and business reviews, and the biographical events of people's lives. It's no less so with uaps.
Yep, for mundane facts and events. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That you can't seem to differentiate those is ridiculous.
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Today 04:21 AM
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Quote:Yep, for mundane facts and events. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
So speaketh Saint Sagan as fondly quoted by the skeptical movement, a movement he openly despised. I debunked that truism long ago as moving the goal posts since there is no objective definition given by skeptics for extraordinary. As if there ever could be extraordinary evidence for anything, much less an elusive phenomenon like uaps. When the AARO came out a few years ago testifying before Congress that 4 meter metallic spheres traveling up to Mach 2 and emitting RF signals were being seen and filmed all over the world, that pretty much cinched the deal. We are now living in the age of trying to figure out what these things are and what the govt has long known about them. Hence all the scientific projects/groups now studying them and taking them seriously.
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Today 04:49 AM
Like I said, you not being able to differentiate the mundane from the extraordinary (a simple dichotomy between the everyday and the extremely rare or odd) is just ridiculous... but very expected of the illiterate. There absolutely is extraordinary evidence. Electricity making dead muscles move, the moon landing, reaching the wreckage of the Titanic, etc.. All extraordinary things that no one should accept without extraordinary evidence. So far, there is no such compelling evidence for UFOs. If there were, they'd be just as much mundane facts as these other formerly extraordinary things.
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Today 05:17 AM
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Quote:If there were, they'd be just as much mundane facts as these other formerly extraordinary things.
They are not not mundane because no one is seeing them. Over the past 80 years there have been tens of thousands of accounts, photos, videos, radar trackings and medically documented physical effects on eyewitnesses of this phenomenon. The reason they are not mundane is because they behave and appear to be something totally beyond what we know and are used to. And they continue to defy all our attempts to identify them. That's the neat thing about truly anomalous phenomena. They can never be mundane because they are otherworldly by their very nature. Just like psychic abilities, ghosts, sasquatch, synchronicities, healings, possessions, OOBEs, abductions, and mystical experiences. They will never be mundane until we accept the existence of these other realms beyond this physical one we are so used to.
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Today 07:52 AM
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Yet the extraordinary has become mundane countless time throughout history... when actual science is involved.
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The difference between extraordinary and mundane is just a matter of what we get used to. But one discovery we haven't gotten used to is quantum theory. That is the gift that just keeps on giving. Uaps will probably be like that. Consciousness also..
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Nope, you clearly still don't understand the simple distinction between the mundane and the extraordinary.
We are intimately familiar with consciousness and have been exposed to quantum weirdness... and it being roundly verified... for decades. That makes both mundane... not rare at all. For UFOs to reach that level of familiarity, we would have to have either universal personal experience with them or scientific verification of them. The latter could possibly happen, but it's hindered by all the UFO nuts derailing actual scientific inquiry with their zealous presumptions... which will likely be reflected in any AI trained to accept eyewitness reports as credible scientific data.
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