Disney slash MCU's "Ironheart". Hilarious garbage? (television hobbies)

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Yazata Offline
(Jun 29, 2025 03:47 AM)Syne Wrote: Artists can express what they want... until they lose those bankrolling it so much money that they quit making it.

Call it "go woke, go broke," "dwindling returns," "throwing good money after bad," etc..

Isn't the whole point of an entertainment company like Disney to produce content that appeals to as large an audience as possible, that broad audiences want to see?

Knowingly introducing divisive content that threatens to alienate a large portion of your potential audience seems like a terrible business decision to me.

Doing it repeatedly, then doubling down on it, should get the responsible Disney managers fired.
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#42
Magical Realist Offline
Quote:No one said otherwise. They seem to be very willing to lose money.

Fortunately the number of people just honestly enjoying films far outnumbers those politicizing them and review bombing them. This is proven by the huge success of the many films expressing liberal values these companies have put out over the years. Everybody loves the liberal narrative. The conservative narrative, eg. the Bible, Mein Kampf, just doesn't sell anymore.
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#43
Syne Offline
(Jun 29, 2025 04:18 AM)Yazata Wrote:
(Jun 29, 2025 03:47 AM)Syne Wrote: Artists can express what they want... until they lose those bankrolling it so much money that they quit making it.

Call it "go woke, go broke," "dwindling returns," "throwing good money after bad," etc..

Isn't the whole point of an entertainment company like Disney to produce content that appeals to as large an audience as possible, that broad audiences want to see?

Knowingly introducing divisive content that threatens to alienate a large portion of your potential audience seems like a terrible business decision to me.

Doing it repeatedly, then doubling down on it, should get the responsible Disney managers fired.

You'd think. But apparently these people are so enmired in their ideology that they can somehow justify huge and repeated financial losses.

(Jun 29, 2025 04:18 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:No one said otherwise. They seem to be very willing to lose money.

Fortunately the number of people just honestly enjoying films far outnumbers those politicizing them and review bombing them. This is proven by the huge success of the many films expressing liberal values these companies have put out over the years. Everybody loves the liberal narrative. The conservative narrative, eg. the Bible, just doesn't sell anymore.

Really? What's some really successful (in terms of box office revenue) "liberal values" movies and shows?
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#44
Magical Realist Offline
Movies Are Liberal Propaganda, and That’s Why You Love Them (Commentary)

"It was really funny, to me and a lot of other people, when back in December a group of conservatives pledged to boycott “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story” because they heard it was anti-Donald Trump propaganda. The filmmakers had reshot the ending of the movie, the ringleader of the boycott claimed, to make it about Trump.

It was a ludicrous concept, of course. Disney didn’t change the ending of its biggest tentpole of the year at the last second to turn it into some kind of grand political statement about current events.

There was a punchline to the “controversy”: “Star Wars” already was liberal propaganda. It’s a film series about freedom fighters battling against an oppressive far-right galactic dictatorship. Space Nazis, if you will. For some reason, the proponents of the boycott had only just figured out what the premise of “Star Wars” was and decided to pretend that “Rogue One” was granting new, shocking subtext to this saga which has a central conflict that can best be summed us as “leftist rebellion led by women vs racist fascists.”


Not that they should be surprised that “Star Wars” has a liberal bent, considering pretty much all of Hollywood does. That’s why I have relatives back in Alabama who call it “Hollyweird” unironically. Though those relatives love “Star Wars” and movies in general so they’re not as pop culture-aware as they seem to think they are.

Specifically what they don’t seem to grasp is that for every movie they realize is liberal propaganda, there are a dozen others that lean just as liberal — they just couldn’t be bothered to read the subtext. Have you watched any movies lately about people banding together by overcoming their differences and learning to get along in order to accomplish something that ultimately makes everyone happy? Of course you did. Guess what: that’s liberal propaganda.

Take “Zootopia,” a movie everybody loves because it makes them feel good. That one is about how racial stereotypes are bad and everybody should be friends with everybody else regardless of our differences. “Racism is bad” is a liberal platform.


Take “Selma,” the powerful Civil Rights film about the Martin Luther King, Jr-led march to Birmingham — a march which was contested at every turn by racist conservatives who were intent on maintaining their free-market race-based discriminations against black people.

Take “Mulan,” another Disney cartoon, about a badass warrior woman who saves the Emperor despite not being allowed to fight with the army because she’s a woman.

Take “The Visitor,” the small-scale drama from the director of “Spotlight,” about the plight of a family of illegal immigrants from Syria and Senegal who face deportation, humanizing the exact sort of people who Donald Trump and his supporters are apparently so terrified of.

Take “Syriana,” the George Clooney film that lays the blame for radicalization of Islamic terrorists squarely at the feet of the U.S. and American corporations for their never-ending interference in Middle Eastern countries.


Take “Captain America: The Winter Soldier,” about the First Avenger fighting far-right fascists who value security over freedom. Uh, it’s not liberals who are madly in love with prisons and unconstitutional law enforcement tactics like stop and frisk. (Not to mention a certain horrifically overreaching executive order titled “Protecting the Nation from Terrorist Attacks by Foreign Nationals,” which sounds like something Hydra would be extremely into.)

Take “Bridge of Spies,” Steven Spielberg’s love letter to civil liberties, due process and American ideals — ideals which, not coincidentally, are liberal.

That’s the real punchline here. If a movie every made you feel good — like the way “Bridge of Spies” makes you feel good about what it means to be American — it was probably because it was making some very liberal point. After all, “We should all be able to get along, regardless of what we look like or which church we go to” is a liberal stance, and “We can’t get along because you’re different” is a conservative one...

...Look, we could go on and on about this. The liberal propaganda from Hollywood will never stop, and for good reason: without the liberal bent, most movies would just be sad and depressing. I mean, imagine the Empire being the heroes of “Star Wars.” That seems absurd on its face — and yet a number of real-life conservatives claim to be pro-Empire (they’re probably just joking, but most comedy is also liberal because conservative jokes aren’t funny). Stephen Bannon even compared himself to Darth Vader and Satan, as though those comparisons are positive, a while back.

These jokes bear some meaningful truth, though. If conservatives ran Hollywood, there’d be a lot more movies about governments putting down sinister rebellions. “Star Wars” from the perspective of Darth Vader. “The Hunger Games” from the perspective of President Snow. Basically any YA dystopia from the perspective of the controlling parents.

That doesn’t really sound fun, so I’ll stick with the liberal propaganda. And so will you, because you like it."

https://www.thewrap.com/movies-liberal-p...star-wars/
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#45
Syne Offline
Ah, the "leftist tells you what a conservative thinks" without actually asking a conservative.

Star Wars was about a secular dictatorship persecuting religious freedom. The Empire literally started with the holocaust of the Jedi religion.
Racism addressed in Zootopia isn't a leftist cause. Remember, the Republican party was formed to specifically end slavery, a Republican president ended slavery, and Democrats fought tooth and nail, with Jim Crow, the KKK, etc.. Even today, Democrat-run cities and states have the most racial segregation and highest income inequality.
"Governor Wallace (Democrat) denounced the [Selma] march as a threat to public safety; he said that he would take all measures necessary to prevent it from happening. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_M...ry_marches
Why wouldn't conservatives love the Emperor of China needing to be saved by a woman?
"The Visitor" doesn't sound like something that would even get on most people's radar, much less conservatives.
Plenty of stories have left-perspective elements without actually pushing a leftist agenda, like "Syriana." Or would you call movies like "Kingsman" right-wing simply because the bad guy is an eco nut?
The fascists who want to control everything in the US have long been Democrats, who recently wanted to force shutdowns and vaccines, including their violent black-clad BLM & Antifa "brownshirts." "Winter Soldier" is, if anything, a projected cautionary tale of leftism.
Exchanging a convicted Soviet spy for a US pilot is leftist?

Lots of very far reaches going on there. What's not a reach is that the hero's journey and most action movies tend to illustrate conservative values.
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#46
Magical Realist Offline
Your lack of a college education is showing again. Fascism has always been a right wing ideology opposed to liberalism:

"Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement. It is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Opposed to communism, democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and socialism, fascism is at the far right of the traditional left–right spectrum."---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Quote:Star Wars was about a secular dictatorship persecuting religious freedom. The Empire literally started with the holocaust of the Jedi religion.

LOL Which totally explains Darth Vadar and the Emperor being trained in the dark side of the Force. No..not a religion by any stretch. A mystical martial art practiced by an elite caste of samurai-like warriors? Yes...the comparison to Tai Chi isn't accidental.
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Magical Realist Offline
Ooops..you forgot to include the two statements before that:

"Left-wing fascism (or left fascism) is the contested idea that left-wing politics can emulate and practice the ideology of fascism. Fascism is traditionally identified as a far-right ideology."

So much for that ad hoc bullshit...
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Syne Offline
Only contested by leftists.
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