Did Vince Gilligan insert a BASED message in the show PLUR1BUS? (television hobbies)

[C C]

I knew Rhea Seehorn was going to get a lead role in something, after playing Kim Wexler in BCS. Just didn't expect it to be a Gilligan product again, much less speculative fiction.
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JON DEL ARROZ
https://youtu.be/iY3zxytAiA4

VIDEO EXCERPTS: As I've gone through episode 4 of Vince Gilligan's new show "Pluribus", I'm wondering if this went so Woke that it circled around to Based. It's pretty interesting.

And the main plot of this sci-fi series on Apple TV is that there's like this alien virus that shows up, everybody gets infected, and only 12 people in the world had some resistance to it. This virus caused everybody to become a hive mind, where they all act in unison, hence the pluribus word.

They all are trying to just appease and make all the other 12 happy, so they can spend some time to figure out why they're not a part of the hive mind, and get them in there.

It's really interesting, as this hive mind is just adamant that everybody has to be a part of it. And there's talk about agency and free will and the whole philosophical thing.

Now, I'm mentioning that it was Woke. Vince Gilligan originally wrote this character to be a man, but he also wanted Rhea Seehorn in the series because she was, of course, one of the stars of Better Call Saul.

It's like bringing that team back together. And listening to their podcast, he's very, very into his team. Like, that's why they shot most of this in New Mexico. They kept it all right there, just so he could bring back the same crew and everything into this, which is kind of nice. It's like loyalty that you don't see a lot in Hollywood.

It makes me very sympathetic towards this. They also changed this character to become a lesbian, and you know that was dictated by Apple TV. Because Apple TV -- every single one of their shows -- there's not a single one that doesn't have LGBTQ propaganda as a heavy piece in it.

And the way that they present it is not quite in your face, as a lot of the stuff in years past was. So it shows that they're trying to normalize it more.

Now this show has become a tremendous success in spite of this. Everybody's tuning in to the Better Call Saul guys, gone sci-fi, to see what's going on.

[...] As I watched the fourth episode, it was interesting. You can look at this in a couple of ways.

This storyline with this hive mind -- I think it actually has an anti-communist message to it, which I don't know if it was intended, but it's definitely so into it, like there's too many references -- that are pretty overt -- that it ends up being that way.

So, let's look at this as we analyze the themes in the writing, which is something I do because I am a sci-fi writer...

[...] I saw somebody describing the show as communist Disneyland. ... Everybody's together. Everybody's one. It's John Lennon's "Imagine" personified, but there's a big hidden cost to it if you look at it.

Like yeah, they put on a happy face there. But you see the glaring contradictions in the entire thing...

Did Vince Gilligan insert a BASED message in PLUR1BUS? ... https://youtu.be/iY3zxytAiA4

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/iY3zxytAiA4

[Magical Realist]

They also changed this character to become a lesbian, and you know that was dictated by Apple TV. Because Apple TV -- every single one of their shows -- there's not a single one that doesn't have LGBTQ propaganda as a heavy piece in it.

And the way that they present it is not quite in your face, as a lot of the stuff in years past was. So it shows that they're trying to normalize it more.

So every series or movie that has an LGBT character in it is "LGBTQ propaganda"? Propagandizing what? That we exist and lead lives every bit as exciting and "filmable" as straight people? That it really IS normal to the point of not even being intentionally promoted any more just so people can get over their ingrained homo or trans or queer phobia? Is it really WOKE to be inclusive of humanity in all of its varying shades of ethnicity and sexuality and genderness. Or is it just basically 2025 realistic?

[Syne]

<Something about reading comprehensions here.>
No, every series and movie from the same company having LGBT is propaganda. There's a difference between "all X having Y is propaganda" and "each X having Y is propaganda." The latter is a straw man of the former (or the aforementioned comprehension). Not every story needs sexual orientation diversity... unless you shoehorn it in.

[C C]

They also changed this character to become a lesbian, and you know that was dictated by Apple TV. Because Apple TV -- every single one of their shows -- there's not a single one that doesn't have LGBTQ propaganda as a heavy piece in it.

And the way that they present it is not quite in your face, as a lot of the stuff in years past was. So it shows that they're trying to normalize it more.

So every series or movie that has an LGBT character in it is "LGBTQ propaganda"? Propagandizing what? That we exist and lead lives every bit as exciting and "filmable" as straight people? That it really IS normal to the point of not even being intentionally promoted any more just so people can get over their ingrained homo or trans or queer phobia? Is it really WOKE to be inclusive of humanity in all of its varying shades of ethnicity and sexuality and genderness. Or is it just basically 2025 realistic?

With respect to Apple TV, I have watched "See", "Severance", "Silo", and "Slow Horses". They all seemed in a post-propaganda or "normalized" stage. I.e., little or no dialogue dealing with a character's race, sexual orientation, gender status, etc being an issue or something that they get special treatment from, or a bleeding-heart focus on.

Nor a character even walking around with a chip on their shoulder in those contexts. (Well, there were some Libyans in the last season of "Slow Horses" that did have a grievance against the British. But it's an espionage series -- hegemony, imperialism, and hatred of the West is going to pop up, occasionally.)

The thing about American shows is that they get distributed around the world, so I guess there's an incentive to always have a diverse cast in that regard. Albeit, there was no heavy concern about that back in the 20th-century. But less competition on the global market during that era, too.

Contrast to a German (or continental European TV show) like "Dark", where every single cast member was white and hetero. (Not entirely sure about the latter item, memory wise, but it seems like it.)

[Magical Realist]

<Something about reading comprehensions here.>
No, every series and movie from the same company having LGBT is propaganda. There's a difference between "all X having Y is propaganda" and "each X having Y is propaganda." The latter is a straw man of the former (or the aforementioned comprehension). Not every story needs sexual orientation diversity... unless you shoehorn it in.

I support every creator's of a series freedom to script whatever characters he wants to. If that offends certain viewers, they don't have to watch it. It's obvious that watching a series with LGBTQ characters is so unbearable to some people that they need to make a moral issue out of it. Maybe they should become a producer and make their own series instead of whining about crap they can do nothing about.

[Syne]

Again, not "a series," "all series." There's a significant difference... at least for the literate.

[Magical Realist]

Same applies to all series and all producers of them. Absolute creative freedom instead of bowing to pressure from politicizing MAGA idealogues.

[Syne]

Some people can't understand simple English. 9_9

If you think producers for any large studio have absolute creative freedom, you're naive.

[Magical Realist]

Some people can't understand simple English. 9_9

If you think producers for any large studio have absolute creative freedom, you're naive.

Whatever they ultimately decide, for whatever reason, is their choice. You have no idea why he scripted a lesbian as the main character. But he did and that's what he decided. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

[Syne]

No, if we're not naive, we know why.