Trump's "white genocide" TV ambush fails..

[Syne]

And what does 12% of the population committing 15% of the interracial homicides and 70% of the population committing 7% of the interracial homicides tell you?
It means that, if you weight it by percent of the population, it is heavy skewed in one direction.

So they only bring it up when they're still trying to obscure the data to hide the facts. Sadly, our public education has failed enough people that this works.
They also conveniently fail to give the actual figures (except for police killings, because that fits their narrative).

In 2023 in the US, there were 9,284 black murder victims and 7,289 white murder victims: https://www.statista.com/statistics/2518...nd-gender/
So even assuming the interracial murders are roughly equivalent, the 13% of the population is still killing way more people than the 58%... both intra and interracial.

[Magical Realist]

There is a disproportionate amount of crimes committed by blacks compared to whites. Why do you think that is? Something in the black DNA maybe? Or being generationally and environmentally subjected to poverty and discrimination over the past few centuries?

"The rate of violent victimization was 46.4 per 1,000 for poor whites and 43.4 per 1,000 for poor blacks. For both groups, persons in high-income households had the lowest rates of violence."

[Syne]

Ever read any Thomas Sowell? He explains the common origins of both white redneck and black ghetto cultures.
Unless you can show how poor whites are such due to being oppressed, the percentage of poor in any demographic is likely culturally reinforced. It's pretty clear that popular black culture, like redneck culture, eschews intellectual pursuits that raise most other cultures out of poverty (not "cool" to be smart). White liberals have contributed to keeping black culture in this state, with failing schools and no school choice, literal ghetto housing "projects," etc.. That's the only discrimination differential between white rednecks and blacks.

In no case is it an inherent deficiency of blacks. Different demographics with the same problems just share the same cultural problems. Otherwise, again, you'd have to show how white rednecks were oppressed, to have the same results.

[Magical Realist]

White liberals have contributed to keeping black culture in this state, with failing schools and no school choice, literal ghetto housing "projects," etc.

So trying to help blacks out of poverty and lack of jobs and no education was the discrimination that led to their high crime rate? Uh no. Discrimination against blacks in the form of not hiring them and redlining them and segregating them led to their poverty and their high crime rate. You know--discrimination as in racial discrimination? You remember that don't ya? Jim Crow laws. The KKK. Voting restrictions and tests. Lynchings. Racial profiling. Cultural and media representations as stupid, primitive or ape-like. Take a college course in American history sometime.

[Syne]

Keeping blacks in ghettos, incentivized by subsidized housing, in failing inner city schools, also a result of where they live, harms them while masquerading as benevolence. The same sort of thing happens on Indian reservations.
Segregation has always been the domain of Democrats, whether in Jim Crow laws or even current Democrat-controlled cities, where racial segregation and income inequality remains the highest. Attempts to end "redlining" were done by forcing banks to make high risk loans, which led to the 2008 recession, ultimately hurting those communities more by further reducing investment in them. Even more recently, the left has encouraged protests, rioting, and de-policing, in largely black areas, that have increased crime and further disincentivized investment, i.e. jobs.
Again, if poor whites and blacks have similar crime rates, how do you explain one by oppression and the other without oppression. Sounds like special pleading, at best.
Yes, I remember Jim Crow, the KKK, voting restrictions, lynchings, etc., all from Democrats. And don't even try the long-debunked party switch myth. The Democrats are still harming the black community just as much. Just as LBJ is purported to say "have [them] voting Democrat for the next 200 years," with the exact benevolent-seeming harm Democrats still push to this day.

You really need to quit projecting about your obvious lack of knowledge of history. All you do is parrot leftist talking points, without any consistent reasoning.

[Magical Realist]

Again, if poor whites and blacks have similar crime rates, how do you explain one by oppression and the other without oppression.

Classism is as discriminatory as racism. Discrimination against poor white people due to their dress or hygiene or lack of education or drawl or lifestyle leads them to not being able to get jobs and to being segregated and stereotyped just as blacks are. Prejudice and poverty rear their ugly heads together, having a mutually enforcing effect on each other.

Yes, I remember Jim Crow, the KKK, voting restrictions, lynchings, etc., all from Democrats. And don't even try the long-debunked party switch myth.

Nope..it's a matter of documented history. And when the Southern Democrats switched to being Republicans in the 60's and 70's, they took with them all the racism, segregation, and Jim Crow laws that they supported in the past. Why do you think blacks are almost all Democrats now?

"Race and equality began to return to the center of politics in the 1950s and 1960s. Race did not necessarily fall into a party viewpoint at this point; instead, it was more of a regional issue. Southern Democrats and Republicans both opposed the early Civil Rights Movement, while Northern Democrats and Republicans began to support legislation as the movement picked up steam.

In 1964, Democratic president Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. In the 1964 election, Republican candidate Barry Goldwater publicly opposed the new law, arguing that it expanded the power of the federal government to a dangerous level.

It was this argument that led to a final, decisive switch. Black voters, who had historically been loyal to the Republican Party because of the 1866 Civil Rights Act, had already been switching to the Democratic Party.

However, upon hearing Goldwater’s argument against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the majority of Black voters left the Republican Party in favor of the Democrats. They saw the Democratic Party as advocates for equality and justice, while the Republicans were too concerned with keeping the status quo in America.

As the 60s and 70s continued, Democrats sought reform in other places, such as abortion and school prayer. White southern Democrats began to resent how much the Democratic Party was intervening into the rights of the people.

By the 1980s, white southern Democrats had become Republicans, and the majority of the south was now Republican. The Republican Party now is solidly conservative while the Democratic Party is the liberal one."

[Syne]

Again, if poor whites and blacks have similar crime rates, how do you explain one by oppression and the other without oppression.

Classism is as discriminatory as racism. Discrimination against poor white people due to their dress or hygiene or lack of education or drawl or lifestyle leads them to not being able to get jobs and to being segregated and stereotyped just as blacks are. Prejudice and poverty rear their ugly heads together, having a mutually enforcing effect on each other.

Then there is no special discrimination of blacks, beyond classism and Democrat discrimination, overt and of low expectations.

Yes, I remember Jim Crow, the KKK, voting restrictions, lynchings, etc., all from Democrats. And don't even try the long-debunked party switch myth.

Nope..it's a matter of documented history. And when the Southern Democrats switched to being Republicans in the 60's and 70's, they took with them all the racism, segregation, and Jim Crow laws that they supported in the past. Why do you think blacks are almost all Democrats now?

  "Race and equality began to return to the center of politics in the 1950s and 1960s. Race did not necessarily fall into a party viewpoint at this point; instead, it was more of a regional issue. Southern Democrats and Republicans both opposed the early Civil Rights Movement, while Northern Democrats and Republicans began to support legislation as the movement picked up steam.

In 1964, Democratic president Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act into law. In the 1964 election, Republican candidate Barry Goldwater publicly opposed the new law, arguing that it expanded the power of the federal government to a dangerous level.

It was this argument that led to a final, decisive switch. Black voters, who had historically been loyal to the Republican Party because of the 1866 Civil Rights Act, had already been switching to the Democratic Party.

However, upon hearing Goldwater’s argument against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, the majority of Black voters left the Republican Party in favor of the Democrats. They saw the Democratic Party as advocates for equality and justice, while the Republicans were too concerned with keeping the status quo in America.

As the 60s and 70s continued, Democrats sought reform in other places, such as abortion and school prayer. White southern Democrats began to resent how much the Democratic Party was intervening into the rights of the people.

By the 1980s, white southern Democrats had become Republicans, and the majority of the south was now Republican. The Republican Party now is solidly conservative while the Democratic Party is the liberal one."

You're just parroting the debunked myth.
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/1af...4644dd7f41
Presidential elections started to move away from Democrats in the South long before the Civil Rights Act, and largely continued that preexisting trend afterwards. Congressional elections remained Democrat well after the Civil Rights Act. Most of the Dixiecrats continued to be reelected as Democrats until they retired, long after the Civil Rights Act.

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EuU0askm-QI
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magaz...b.t-4.html
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/the-m...publicans/
https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured...at-switch/

[Magical Realist]

Then there is no special discrimination of blacks, beyond classism and Democrat discrimination, overt and of low expectations.

Yes there is dolt. It's called racism and I already told you about it. Are you actually denying racism against blacks exists now? (abit like asking a Nazi if they believe antisemitism exists..)

[Syne]

That's your own dumb straw man. Of course racism exists. Racism is not equivalent to discrimination. I know the left likes to twist or misunderstand the meaning is relatively simple words, like your illiteracy, but racism is just hate/superiority. It has no inherent power. Discrimination, on the other hand, does requires power. So you would need to show that a specific group, racists (largely shunned by society), somehow still have enough power to cause discrimination. And no, some unsupported generational knock-on effects from actual discrimination doesn't fly. Blacks, in general, were once way more successful than today, even under actual discrimination. And the current causes of their plight can readily be shown to be contemporary things, like the aforementioned "benevolent" policies that lead to segregation and income inequality at the hands of Democrats.

[Magical Realist]

I see. So there's racism against black people, just not discrimination against them. How do you know this?