Quote:But go ahead, tell me what they know with any certainty about UAPs.
These are the 5 observables of the UAP phenomenon resulting from government studies and research into them over the years:
"When Elizondo ran the Defense Department initiative, called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or AATIP, he compiled a list of extraordinary, logic-defying capabilities most commonly associated with unidentified aerial phenomena sightings. He calls those traits the “five observables”:
1.
Anti-gravity lift
Unlike any known aircraft, these objects have been sighted overcoming the earth’s gravity with no visible means of propulsion. They also lack any flight surfaces, such as wings. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses describe the crafts as tubular, shaped like a Tic Tac candy.
2.
Sudden and instantaneous acceleration
The objects may accelerate or change direction so quickly that no human pilot could survive the g-forces—they would be crushed. In the Nimitz incident, radar operators say they tracked one of the UFOs as it dropped from the sky at more than 30 times the speed of sound. Black Aces squadron commander David Fravor, the Nimitz-based fighter pilot who was sent to intercept one of the objects, likened its rapid side-to-side movements, later captured on infrared video, to that of a ping-pong ball. Radar operators on the USS Princeton, part of the Nimitz carrier group, tracked the object accelerating from a standing position to traveling 60 miles in a minute—an astounding 3,600 miles an hour. According to manufacturer Boeing, the F/A 18 Super Hornet fighter jet typically currently reaches a maximum speed of Mach 1.6, or about 1,200 miles an hour.
3.
Hypersonic velocities without signatures
If an aircraft travels faster than the speed of sound, it typically leaves "signatures," like vapor trails and sonic booms. Many UFO accounts note the lack of such evidence.
4.
Low observability, or cloaking
Even when objects are observed, getting a clear and detailed view of them—either through pilot sightings, radar or other means—remains difficult. Witnesses generally only see the glow or haze around them.
5.
Trans-medium travel
Some UAP have been seen moving easily in and between different environments, such as space, the earth’s atmosphere and even water. In the Nimitz incident, witnesses described a UFO hovering over a churning "disturbance" just under the ocean's otherwise calm surface, leading to speculation that another craft had entered the water. USS Princeton radar operator Gary Vorhees later confirmed from a Navy sonar operator in the area that day that a craft was moving faster than 70 knots, roughly two times the speed of nuclear subs."
We also have quite a bit of data on the metallic orbs reported to Congress by the AARO a few years ago. They reported seeing these 1-4 meter spheres "all over the world" and travelling from standing still up to Mach 2 with no visible heat signature or means of propulsion. Here's some information about that:
"At Enigma, our team of engineers continues to build out internal tools to detect trends and patterns in the UFO sightings data reported to us. This includes geographic hotspots, flight patterns, craft patterns. Over the past year we have spoken to active fighter pilots in the US, currently stationed at USAF bases. Orbs and spheres continue to be one of our most commonly reported UAP shapes. Interestingly, in AARO's recent November hearing, they also showed that orbs and spheres are frequently reported, with most sightings occurring, "between 15,000 to 25,000 feet" (they note that this happens to be where most of their sensors are. In AARO's 2024 consolidated report, from May 2023 to June 2024, "orbs, spheres, round" UAP constituted 22% of reported sightings, as shown below:
Enigma speaks regularly with active duty fighter pilots stationed at USAF bases. They tell us anecdotally that they see "metallic" looking spheres or orbs, sometimes multiple times per day when they are flying and doing training exercises. They say that these objects appear at 24,000 to 28,000 feet (consistent with AARO's data).
We were interested to run an analysis on spheres / orbs to see what we could learn, particularly about orbs that appear metallic. Our high level findings are below:
A total of 6,226 total orb or sphere sightings were submitted to the Enigma skywatching network, Dec 2022 - Sept 2024 in the USA. California and Texas reported the most orbs, note collection bias as those states have higher populations
72% of these met our quality bar and were approved. Approved sightings are immediately on both our web and iOS platforms – 4,467 approved orb sightings
Of these, we drilled down further and found 322 metallic orb sightings. These were orbs described as “metallic,” “metal,” or “silver” are plotted on this map and shown below:
We did find that "metallic orbs" have been seen near many of the US' military bases. A sample set around just three bases is shown below. These case links are summaries, not showing the full details. We also have research showing sightings around critical infrastructure, energy sites, and navy destroyers."
Are you saying this government research data is wrong? On what basis? You asked what we know about uaps and I'm providing it. Don't ask for something and then dismiss it for no reason.
(May 5, 2025 01:19 AM)Syne Wrote: You didn't answer my question. Why are you citing a source you refuse to discuss or defend?
There's nothing to defend. Why are you questioning the results of years of gathered data based on one error in misidentifying a crop photo as a uap? And why are you ignoring the data I posted on the metallic spheres? Methinks you just want to whine and deny as usual. If you were really serious about learning about this subject you'd be exploring it on your own. But we all know you won't. So I post this data for all who will view this thread in the future in order to sincerely learn about uaps.
Here's a new substantial database of uap sightings/videos from all around the world:
"Since launch, 34051 sightings have been submitted directly to Enigma in 212 territories around the world. Combined with 270K+ sighting reports from publicly available sources, Enigma is the largest queryable historical sighting database for global UFO sightings.
Don’t see a territory listed? Enigma is actively looking for more data—be the first to share your sighting story with us to expand our network!"
UAPCaucus looks like a valuable resource. Again, thanx for turning me on to it, MR!
(May 5, 2025 12:30 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: "When Elizondo ran the Defense Department initiative, called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or AATIP, he compiled a list of extraordinary, logic-defying capabilities most commonly associated with unidentified aerial phenomena sightings. He calls those traits the “five observables”
I think that many/most unidentified sightings don't display these characteristics. Most of them are just lights in the sky.
But the minority of the sightings that do display these characteristics certainly would seem to qualify as prima facie anomalous in that they appear to exceed the current aeronautical engineering state of the art.
Quote:1. Anti-gravity lift
...no visible means of propulsion. They also lack any flight surfaces, such as wings...
2. Sudden and instantaneous acceleration
...The objects may accelerate or change direction so quickly that no human pilot could survive the g-forces...
3. Hypersonic velocities without signatures
...If an aircraft travels faster than the speed of sound, it typically leaves "signatures...
Of course one can question whether many of these reports are accurate. But when the reports are made by trained observers (such as military aviators) and when the visual reports are corroborated by photographic and radar data, they represent very credible anomalous sightings in my opinion.
Again, my view is that something extraordinary appears to be happening (certainly with the possibility of error in that judgement). As to what it is, I have no idea. (Although I have no end of unevidenced speculations, from earthly "black projects" to alien robotic interstellar research probes to time-travelers.)
May 5, 2025 12:30 AM
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2025 12:33 AM by Magical Realist.)
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