Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them

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Syne Offline
Again, you're only demonstrating your lack of comprehension of scientific evidence.

No one said anything about you stopping posting about your woo. Don't be so paranoid and sensitive.
But you go right on being a dipshit moron, who doesn't understand the distinction between simple terms.
Just realize that when you say "you believe in NHIs," you're proselytizing your faith just like any religious person.
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#22
Magical Realist Online
Quote:Just realize that when you say "you believe in NHIs," you're proselytizing your faith just like any religious person.

Posting accounts and videos of actual occurrences of uaps/NHI's along with the views of scientists and researchers in this field is no more proselytizing than posting news events or any other facts of the world. There is no faith involved in presenting cases of unexplained phenomenon. In fact it's the essence of science to explore what is unknown. If you don't like it or it threatens your worldview then you're in the wrong group. Nobody likes a pissy little whiner who insults and ridicules others' posts because he can't support his own claims. You might try Sci Forums which is basically an echo chamber/feeding trough now for defensive skeptics and would-be debunkers. You'd fit in nicely there..
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#23
Syne Offline
Apparently you don't even hear yourself. "scientists and researchers in this field" are obviously as biased as those in other fields. To a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Again, LEARN TO READ. I never said any other of your posts are proselytizing. I ONLY said saying "you believe in NHIs" is proselytizing. But it is very telling that you took that to mean everything else you post is proselytizing. That tells us that you see them as equivalent yourself... or you just can't read for shit.

Again, you're just projecting about your own worldview being threatened, as you obviously have zero skepticism of your own beliefs, think others are out to silence you when they aren't, and now actively want any detractors to leave this forum. I, on the other hand, freely admit my beliefs are not compelling to others, don't get all defensive at the drop of a hat, and don't call for you to be silenced or leave the forum.

And it's all clear as day to everyone but you.
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#24
Magical Realist Online
Quote:Apparently you don't even hear yourself. "scientists and researchers in this field" are obviously as biased as those in other fields. To a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Duh..Those who study the phenomenon believe in the phenomenon and those who don't study the phenomenon don't believe in it. So what does that tell you? Would you believe in evolution if you hadn't studied it?

AI overview: "The fallacy of incredulity, also known as the argument from incredulity or appeal to incredulity, is a logical fallacy where someone rejects a claim solely because they find it difficult to believe, imagine, or understand, without providing any evidence or logical reasoning to support their disbelief. It essentially argues that something must be false because it doesn't align with their personal understanding or beliefs."
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#25
Syne Offline
Again, you're poor comprehension utterly fails you. You can obviously believe in something without being a scientist in that particular field. Researchers in a particular field just have a vested interest to interpret thing in light of their field. Their careers depend on it... publish or perish.

I'm not rejecting any claim out of incredulity. I'm rejecting claims because they do not satisfy scientific standards of evidence. Your incredulity is that you don't understand those standards enough to believe them. And just like you don't seem capable of being the least bit skeptical of your own beliefs, it is your "personal understanding or beliefs" that preclude you from understanding simple evidentiary criteria... even when repeatedly explained to you for years now.
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#26
Magical Realist Online
Right..I somehow don't understand the lack of evidence for a phenomenon you've never even explored yourself. That's a standard claim for all skeptics---that "there is no good evidence for uaps" when they remain totally ignorant of all the evidence that is out there. For the record, there is a thread of mine in Sci Forums of around 12,000 posts and over half a million views that presents hundreds of the best evidenced accounts/photos/videos in the field of ufology. And this very forum has hundreds of threads posting some the same compelling evidence. When you want to objectively learn about a phenomenon, always consult the people who have actually studied it for years and/or experienced it firsthand, not the people who deny it even exists on merely ideological grounds or because it is personally too unbelievable to accept. If you wanted to learn about evolution, you wouldn't go to a creationism website that falsely claims there is no evidence for it. You would go the evolution website that presents all the evidence from the people who actually research it. Same with any phenomenon. Real science is always about open-minded albeit agnostic exploration, not dogmatic and world-view protecting denialism.
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#27
Syne Offline
Again with your piss-poor reading comprehension.
I didn't say anything about you not understanding some "lack of evidence." I said you don't understand the scientific standard for evidence. You never have, no matter how many times I've tried to explain it to you.
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#28
Magical Realist Online
(May 4, 2025 07:13 PM)Syne Wrote: Again with your piss-poor reading comprehension.
I didn't say anything about you not understanding some "lack of evidence." I said you don't understand the scientific standard for evidence. You never have, no matter how many times I've tried to explain it to you.

The scientific standard of evidence is being met all the time with uaps/NHI contacts. Multiple eyewitness accounts. Videos/photos from cameras, FLIR and radars. And medically-documented physical effects left by UAP/NHI encounters on witnesses typically in the form of burns, bruising, wounds, PTSD, and radiation sickness. Of course you'd know all this if you'd actually explore it for yourself. But we all know that's the last thing you will do because it would threaten your worldview. The bliss of ignorance is a hard thing to compete with. But in fact it doesn't compare to the peace of just knowing the truth.
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#29
Syne Offline
Thanks for so quickly illustrating your complete lack of understanding scientific evidence.
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#30
Magical Realist Online
"What would actual scientific study of UAPs look like?"

https://phys.org/news/2025-02-actual-sci...-uaps.html

"For those who missed the memo, UFOs (unidentified flying objects) are now called UAPs (unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena). The term UFO became so closely tied to alien spacecraft and fantastical abduction stories that people dismissed the idea, making any serious discussion difficult. The term UAP is a broader term that encompasses more unexplained objects or events without the alien spaceship idea truncating any useful or honest discussion.


While the name change is helpful, it's just the beginning. We need a way to study UAPs scientifically, and new research shows us how.

Though the idea of alien spacecraft visiting us isn't always taken very seriously, the effort to document UAP and understand them goes back decades. In current times, governments around the world have made more serious efforts to understand what's behind the phenomena. Most notably, NASA recently initiated a study into UAP called the Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Independent Study and released its final report in September 2023.

New research aims to explore past efforts, dispel some misunderstandings, and enable future research into UAP.

The research is titled "The New Science of Unidentified Aerospace-Undersea Phenomena (UAP)." The lead author is Kevin Knuth from the Department of Physics at the State University of New York at Albany. The research is available on the arXiv preprint server.

"After decades of dismissal and secrecy, it has become clear that a significant number of the world's governments take unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena (UAP), formerly known as unidentified flying objects (UFOs), seriously–—yet still seem to know little about them," the authors write. "As a result, these phenomena are increasingly attracting the attention of scientists around the world, some of whom have recently formed research efforts to monitor and scientifically study UAP."


The authors review about 20 historical studies, some done by governments and others by private researchers, between 1933 and the present. Countries include the U.S., Canada, France, Russia, and China. Their goal is to summarize and clarify the scientific narrative around UAPs. "Studies range from field station development and deployment to the collection and analysis of witness reports from around the world," the authors write.

The main obstacle to studying UAPs is that they're neither repeatable nor controllable. Another problem is that witness reports are unreliable, often explained away as natural phenomena, or dismissed outright by citizens, scientists, and governments. This has dissuaded serious discussion and study and left us in "a rather disconcerting state of ignorance," the authors write.

Ignorance is seldom desirable, though it can sometimes provide a false sense of relief. Being disconcerted is likewise undesirable. What can be done?

"The problem and opportunity that we face today is that the situation has changed dramatically," according to the authors. We now know that the US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) conducted a covert, six-year program called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) to study UAP. With 50 full-time investigators, the AATIP dwarfed other UAP efforts.

The AATIP focused on military-only encounters and considered things like psychic and paranormal phenomena correlated with UAP events. The AATIP created a massive amount of data on UAP that encompassed more than 200,000 cases. (Alarmingly, the effort also produced more than 200 research papers, some over 100 pages long, and none of them have ever been seen by the public or by the US Congress.)..."

Looks like scientists and researchers are starting to take this phenomenon very seriously..
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