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Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Magical Realist - May 1, 2025
Interview excerpt with Stanford scientist Gary Nolan on his own boyhood experience and why aliens keep showing up to people. It ties into Jacques Vallee's theories of them revealing themselves in an incremental way, leading to an increasing sense of their innate and true nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9MMArenqMQ
In the same interview here Nolan and Harvard astrophysicist Dr. Rudy Schild discuss the phenomenon of certain people being more able to experience NHI manifestations than others and the possible mechanisms behind that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYNSRv9hzU
Background info on Dr. Gary Nolan:
https://stanfordmag.org/contents/first-contact
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - C C - May 1, 2025
(May 1, 2025 03:51 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Interview excerpt with Stanford scientist Gary Nolan on his own boyhood experience and why aliens keep showing up to people. It ties into Jacques Vallee's theories of them revealing themselves in an incremental way, leading to an increasing sense of their innate and true nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9MMArenqMQ [below was added]
VIDEO EXCERPTS: When the host asked you: What is it, what's happening? ... You said: I think that is an advanced form of intelligence, something that we don't understand, that is using some sort of intermediaries that are put here.
I think you said here, as an intelligence test... So can you see what's in front of you for what it really is?
Right [...] something that is a minimal viable product that you can interact with, and realize that it's not human. Realize that it is evidence of something profound, something behind the scenes.
But taking on what Jacques Vallée would say [...] he uses the word "absurd" a lot. [...] It's absurd that a flying saucer lands in a field. Some guy gets out in a silver suit, and then proceeds to fix it as if it's a car.
So what is this interpretation? [...] what you're seeing is ... something which is meant to stimulate you, to realize what's really going, or what might be going on behind the scenes.
If you're a super-intelligence that has never interacted with humanity, you have thoughts about things that are so far from what a human could ever understand. How many layers of translation do you need to go down to tell somebody what it is that they're seeing? [...]
This is very akin to the theme of Solaris, where the ocean-like alien on the planet generates physical simulacra as a form of communication. Events which the visiting humans cannot understand the point or purpose of (absurd).
Lem: "The peculiarity of those phenomena seems to suggest that we observe a kind of rational activity, but the meaning of this seemingly rational activity of the Solarian Ocean is beyond the reach of human beings."
What's not taken into account in the above is that a lone, isolated entity like that would have no experience of interacting with Others, of exchanging information with a social group. It would playfully respond to their presence and their individual thoughts/memories in the mimicking way a child would, despite whatever massive level of intelligence it might constitute. Adulthood and professional interest or expertise is not applicable to it, since the latter maturity and job orientation fall out of the evolutionary and cultural development of a collective of entities (like humans) and their survival concerns.Molten steel incident at Council Bluffs, Iowa (focus of one of Nolan's papers)
https://www.thehistoricalsociety.org/h/ufo.html
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Syne - May 1, 2025
Pisses me off when people use acronyms for some nonsense woo, instead of just telling you what they're talking about.
Is that a form of crackpot gatekeeping?
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Magical Realist - May 2, 2025
How is Non-Human Intelligence "woo"? Do you deny that it exists or can exist? Based on what? Would God be woo too?
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Syne - May 2, 2025
If you're talking about animals, that's trivial. If you're talking about LLMs, that is only a facsimile of intelligence. If you're talking about god, that would be superhuman intelligence.
Anything else, that would fall under the category of "non-human intelligence" is woo. Don't like it? Get stuffed.
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Magical Realist - May 3, 2025
Quote:Anything else, that would fall under the category of "non-human intelligence" is woo.
I see. So you are claiming there are no NHI's on other planets? That's a pretty sweeping denial. How did you arrive at that?
And btw, "woo" isn't a word. It's not even in the dictionary. It's a generic pejorative skeptics exclusively use to condemn any idea or belief they agree to not agree with. Like "heresy" is for religious zealots. If something is labeled as "woo" then you don't even have to consider it. It's automatically nonsense for you. And so your worldview remains blissfully intact.
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Syne - May 3, 2025
I don't know. But a complete lack of any conclusive evidence for other life-supporting planets, much less intelligence-supporting planets is the basis for my belief.
The basis for yours is simply your wishful thinking... too much sci-fi.
"Woo" is short for "woo-woo."
Woo-woo is first recorded in the 1980s, used to mock beliefs associated with the likes of New Age culture.
The term may have originated as an imitation of the sound of the theremin in horror and sci-fi films and TV, or of the spooky noises associated with ghosts and the supernatural.
Although woo-woo is usually considered derogatory, some alternative medicine practitioners, such as Deepak Chopra, have used the term themselves.
- https://www.dictionary.com/browse/woo-woo#word-history-and-origins
See, your confirmation-affirming beliefs have led you to miss the obvious. Again.
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Magical Realist - May 3, 2025
So where's your evidence for the NHI you call God, assuming you don't believe in anything there is no evidence of? And how are uaps and alien abductions/encounters NOT evidence? What would evidence for NHIs look like?
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Syne - May 3, 2025
As usually with your poor reading skills, you missed the operative word "conclusive." Nothing conclusive about UFOs, abductions, etc..
And I just told you, god is not a NHI. It's a superhuman intelligence.
I never said I don't "believe in anything there is no evidence of." To the contrary, I've repeatedly admitted there is no conclusive evidence for god (but there's good reason for that, which is lacking in any NHI).
See, I can admit the weaknesses of my own beliefs, where you don't seem able to be the slightest bit skeptical of your own. That makes your worldview the fragile one. So your gibe about "worldview remains blissfully intact" is just projection.
RE: Dr. Gary Nolan on why NHIs want us to see them - Magical Realist - May 3, 2025
God is non-human and intelligent, ergo he is a NHI. Hence you believe in NHIs. Based on no evidence whatsoever. I believe in NHIs based on the compelling eyewitness and video evidence of such that has been posted over and over again in this very thread. That's the difference here. You cling to a feel-good figment of a primitive culture and I carefully follow the evidence to the stark and unsettling truth.