Israel-Gaza War (and Iranian Distractions)

[Kornee]

now your trying to pretend Scott Ritter didn't go and do a book tour in ruzzia while ruzzia commits genocide in Ukraine.

your hero Scott Ritter Repeat Sex Offender.
what a role model you choose

Sigh. Yeah yeah whatever you say rainbow person. Another hypocrite that continually refers to Russians as 'orcs' but gets all incensed at the 'antisemitism' whenever someone like myself correctly points out the systematic lies and misdeeds of much but not all of Jewry's 'jewel' over there in the ME. A true genocidal regime.
Not just that unfolding against the hemmed in like corralled cattle Palestinians, but their eager abetting white genocide as per e.g. IsraAID treacherous snakes. And much else feeding that - via Yinon Plan (and more) unfolding still.
But you just lap up the MSM news - it's so true because well it's mainstream after all. Sigh.

[Syne]

You know Kornee is a really terrible person when he has RU and I in total agreement. No matter how much we vehemently disagree on a wide range of topics, we can still see Kornee for the piece of shit he is, from both sides of the political spectrum.

[Kornee]

Wow. That's it then. Consensus condemnation from a diverse coalition of two. I'm done. Best slink off and lick my wounds. Ha ha ha ha. Enjoy your day folks.

[Syne]

If making apologies for Hitler, pedophiles, and terrorists isn't going to make an impact, no number of people on this forum is going to make a dent. When you're an evil, conspiratorial nut job, you're own skewed view of reality is what insulates your view from any threat from reality.

But one has to wonder what you get from posting here, aside from puking your hate anywhere that will allow it.

[Syne]

Man Raised By Hamas Tells Horrifying Story Of Their Brutal Indoctrination

A former Hamas terrorist-in-training told an Israeli news station of his brutal upbringing — including watching other children being beheaded and being forced to lie in graves to practice being a martyr — as he was indoctrinated by Hamas in Gaza during his childhood.

Yaron Abraham was born in Lod, an Israeli city near Tel Aviv, before he was transported to Gaza for Hamas jihadi training at one of the most “extreme” mosques in the region. Abraham later escaped and was taken in by an Israeli family, after which Abraham joined the Israeli military and converted to Judaism.
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Abraham lived in Lod until he turned 9. One of his sisters, the one he was closest with among his siblings, was murdered over “family honor,” he said.

“I started asking questions, wanting to understand what happened,” he said. His family, fearing he would “complicate things” for them if he stayed in Lod, sent Abraham to an extremist mosque in Gaza for his education.
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“At the age of around 13 and a half, two kids were suspected of having relations between them, these two kids were beheaded in front of all of us,” he said.
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Fundamentalist Muslim culture, he said, is severely misunderstood. It is not a democratic, liberal, or free culture “that you can get along with.” In fact, “this freedom, liberalism, democracy in the State of Israel is something terribly confusing for them. They don’t know what to do with it,” Abraham said.

“A Muslim comes and tells you, ‘Listen, I want to kill you because you’re Jewish. I have an issue with you.’ And then what do you say to him? ‘Come, listen, I’ll give you 5 billion shekels. Take it. Build schools,’ Abraham said. “And what does he say? ‘But I don’t want schools; your secular schools don’t interest me.’”

He explained that moderation in Islam is suppressed. If an Islamic leader decides to join in fighting against Israel, anyone in the community who resists or refuses to take part, “They will mark their houses in red as traitors. They will be the first whose houses will go up in flames,” Abraham said.
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Going back to Gaza was “a nightmare on one hand, passing by those mosques, by those neighborhoods, going through the whole process,” Abraham said. “But there, I truly learned what the sanctity of life is, especially in the IDF.”

“I saw soldiers that I expected would go and kill, do whatever we wanted, destroy and murder, everything,” he said. “Instead, I see soldiers giving up their food to help children, I see soldiers coming and endangering themselves to help people cross the street, risking themselves to help people there. That’s the moment when I decided that I want to be part of the people of Israel.”

Overall, 57% of Gazans express at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas—along with similar percentages of Palestinians in the West Bank (52%) and East Jerusalem (64%)
- https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/poli...-hezbollah

[Kornee]

Let's assume that piece is true of the individual's experience - a big if given the systematic lying of the entire Israeli PR machine.
Just adds to the raging hypocrisy of said regime - here is that Israeli regime sponsored IsraAID expose again (as per #132 - for those with short memories):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra_w9J0mPb4

[Syne]

More anti-Semitic conspiratorial nonsense. Immigrant smugglers charge based on risk and demand. When the destination country has a hardline against refugees, they charge more. When a leftist government touts open borders, they can't charge as much. And just like the US southern border, it's overwhelmingly the perceived "openness" of the border that draws immigrants, not aid and comfort. The refugees to Greece in 2015 received aid from a lot of NGOs, partially funded by many countries, including France and Denmark. And many of these NGOs, IsraAID included, help refugees from many countries (and not just Muslim) reach safer and more prosperous Western countries. If you weren't a lazy bigot, this info is readily available. But you stop looking the second your antisemitism is affirmed.

This guy just assumes Rabbi's mean Muslims whenever they say refugees, but no evidence is given. Of course leftist secular Jews would, like all secular leftists, protest Trumps so-called "Muslim ban." Stringing it together in your conspiracy theory doesn't make their motive any more than that.

[Syne]

At the inception of the state of Israel, in 1948, there were about 1.2 million Arabs living in the area of Israel. There are now about a couple of million living in Israel proper, 2.5 million in the Gaza Strip, and 3 million in Judea and Sumeria....totaling over 7 million.

If Israel has been trying to commit genocide, it's the least successful attempt in human history. The population they're supposedly trying to "eradicate" has grown to almost 6 times its original size. So two parts of the anti-Semitic conspiracy theory cannot both be true. Either Jews have been attempting genocide, but lack the posited manipulation and influence (of media, governments, etc.) to have enough people "under their spell" to succeed at what would be child's play for any Western allied and equipped country, or they do have outsized influence in media and government, but are not attempting anything remotely approaching genocide.

You can't believe both unless you're an antisemitic moron.

[RainbowUnicorn]

israel is progressing slowly but surely.

how to deal with bunkers under hospitals ?
thats a tricky one
are they booby trapped ?
will the purple, heavy, smoke idea work ?

[Yazata]

israel is progressing slowly but surely.

The Israelis have been in central Gaza city for several days and it appears that they now occupy much of the densest part. Video of the sky over Gaza city lit up by illumination flares.

https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/...4609874425

War_Mapper's latest is below:

how to deal with bunkers under hospitals ?
thats a tricky one
are they booby trapped ?
will the purple, heavy, smoke idea work ?

According to War_Mapper's map, based on the Israeli briefings and various open-source intelligence, the Israelis are right outside the big Shifa hospital. I wouldn't be surprised if Hamas was firing on the Israelis from the hospital buildings, daring them to fire back. That's their strategy, to attack the Israelis and when the Israelis return fire, to count on the establishment media to play it up as a "war crime". Their only hope of surviving the war, let alone winning, is foreign pressure making the Israelis stop before Hamas is defeated. Then they would emerge as heroes.

Reportedly Hamas' main headquarters complex is underground, beneath the hospital. I don't think that the Israelis should enter the tunnels which are probably death traps. I'd favor pumping all the tunnels that they find full of poison gas, and fumigate them like one does with cockroaches - except that hostages are probably down there too.

Again judging by the map, it looks like the Israelis are concentrating on attacking the densest commercial parts of the city and have so far bypassed most of the (partly evacuated) residential areas. They probably hope that they can weaken Hamas that way without destroying everyone's homes.

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