God only reveals His existence to a chosen few

[Ostronomos]

Thankfully, I can unequivocally state that I fall into that category.

However, it has taken much trial and error proving it to others. But I am pleased to announce that I have successfully made believers out of the vast majority of the population. Popular ignorance notwithstanding, I have proven the existence of God along with Langan. I lacked the mathematical tools to do so however I succeeded using only the language of logic. 

Thank you.

Without further adieu, let us lift the veil of popular ignorance shall we? (...)

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/UTUXtiHs3No

[Magical Realist]

But I am pleased to announce that I have successfully made believers out of the vast majority of the population.

How do you know this? What did God look like? Did he/her offer any useful advice, like maybe the cure to alzheimer's or the location of Jimmy Hoffa?

[Zinjanthropos]

Saw an article re a paper written by someone named Jennifer Callaghan from Smith College, much too long to copy her but in the beginning she says (paraphrasing)“When you talk to god, you’re praying. When god talks to you, you have schizophrenia”

I’ll assume Ostro talks to god on occasion, so would that rate him schizo? He has also made no bones about his marijuana use. Does marijuana affect a schizophrenic mind, making things worse or better? IDK but some people claim to know.

Found this:https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/schi...juana-link

[stryder]

What exactly is "Proof"? What would be considered "proof"?

I mean you have to take into consideration that first you'd have to have people accept the concept that a God (or Gods) exist. If they don't accept that, then there can never be any proof.

Personally I'd find it very hard to consider that some entity should be a "God" considering our history has been littered with mortal men, expounding their control and influence over others through the claim to be either a god themselves or just the incarnated. Wars have raged, civilizations have burned... all down to their self-opinionated designation and ego.

The whispers that people tell each other as religion are just the old shackles being clanked to attempt to keep the populous in check.

So I'd suggest there is no definitive proof of a God or Gods, just proof that humanity has a deceptive meanstreak.

So is the proof you know or think you know a dastardly plan or cruel trick?

[Ostronomos]

What exactly is "Proof"? What would be considered "proof"?

I mean you have to take into consideration that first you'd have to have people accept the concept that a God (or Gods) exist.  If they don't accept that, then there can never be any proof. 

Personally I'd find it very hard to consider that some entity should be a "God" considering our history has been littered with mortal men, expounding their control and influence over others through the claim to be either a god themselves or just the incarnated.  Wars have raged, civilizations have burned... all down to their self-opinionated designation and ego.

The whispers that people tell each other as religion are just the old shackles being clanked to attempt to keep the populous in check.

So I'd suggest there is no definitive proof of a God or Gods, just proof that humanity has a deceptive meanstreak.

So is the proof you know or think you know a dastardly plan or cruel trick?

Unmasking truth begins with open-mindedness. I propose that the only way to unite humanity is by proving God. Where every human being can participate in this all-inclusive mindset.

[Yazata]

Thankfully, I can unequivocally state that I fall into that category.

Could be, but I strongly doubt it.

I don't believe in God (or at least in any personal sort of God to whom a word like "His" applies), so your claim seems exceedingly unlikely to me.

However, it has taken much trial and error proving it to others. But I am pleased to announce that I have successfully made believers out of the vast majority of the population.

What population? Believers in what? Where are all these believers in Ostroism (or Langanism) located? If the vast majority of the population have become your converts, why is there so little evidence of it? Why does nobody seem to mention their new faith or their new prophets?

Popular ignorance notwithstanding, I have proven the existence of God along with Langan. I lacked the mathematical tools to do so however I succeeded using only the language of logic.

You succeeded in doing something that nobody before you has ever managed to do? Impressive if true. (I don't believe it.)

[Zinjanthropos]

When god chooses then IT would be selecting the appropriate alternative. This implies that IT doesn’t know ahead of time. God then has no idea who to choose from at the start, so the chosen one would would need to satisfy a set of criteria. So now God has to think it over and by doing so God has to make a decision based on who fits the bill the best. Ostro apparently does and that should scared the Hell out of every believer on Earth. Not because it’s Ostro in a state of total obliteration, but because God doesn’t really know everything.

[Ostronomos]

Thankfully, I can unequivocally state that I fall into that category.

Could be, but I strongly doubt it.

I don't believe in God (or at least in any personal sort of God to whom a word like "His" applies), so your claim seems exceedingly unlikely to me.

However, it has taken much trial and error proving it to others. But I am pleased to announce that I have successfully made believers out of the vast majority of the population.

What population? Believers in what? Where are all these believers in Ostroism (or Langanism) located? If the vast majority of the population have become your converts, why is there so little evidence of it? Why does nobody seem to mention their new faith or their new prophets?

Popular ignorance notwithstanding, I have proven the existence of God along with Langan. I lacked the mathematical tools to do so however I succeeded using only the language of logic.

You succeeded in doing something that nobody before you has ever managed to do? Impressive if true. (I don't believe it.)

Yazata,

God is hardwired into every living brain. God is real BECAUSE He was proven using logic. That logic was presented to a wider audience through modest means, namely internet.

There was a time a while back when I and Langan were the only geniuses out of the 7 or 8 billion people in the world chosen to perceive and deliver the truth to a benighted humanity.

In case you didn't know, I have a Batman/ Bruce Wayne duality except it comes in the form of expanded consciousness versus merely gifted. Sufficient for most undertakings.

[C C]

When god chooses then IT would be selecting the appropriate alternative. This implies that IT doesn’t know ahead of time. God then has no idea who to choose from at the start, so the chosen one would would need to satisfy a set of criteria. So now God has to think it over and by doing so God has to make a decision based on who fits the bill the best. Ostro apparently does and that should scared the Hell out of every believer on Earth. Not because it’s Ostro in a state of total obliteration, but because God doesn’t really know everything.

Yah, one of the problems of omniscient and omnipotenct claims, if God is subservient to space, time, and causation just like his creations. Especially in the context of "presentism" (where only a "now" or single state fleetingly exists, not past and future).

Even if God is portrayed as that process itself that is spitting out the succession of "nows", if there is any genuine randomness intruding in the process -- i.e., events not wholly regulated by God's strict principles, then consequently God doesn't know everything that will happen due to that ungoverned infiltrator of the process (the latter, again, also being God). If in response, one contends that God voluntarily allows randomness in what is outputted, then that still negates the claim of knowing everything and being in complete control of the show.

However, if the temporal situation is instead that of "eternalism", where all events of time co-exist (no process occurring), then even if there are things in the continuum that don't adhere to a pattern or rule (i.e., are random), then God could still at least know everything if he is aware of the whole of that block-universe (or whatever label one wants to affix to it). God still has omniscience, albeit omnipotence is arguably compromised (space/time has regions that don't conform perfectly to God's governance, principles, etc).

One way around the previous scenario in presentism context is if God could still intervene and brutely put things back on course if the process strayed too far via the randonmness. But such would have to be subtly occurring often, since waiting till the a situation required a major adjustment would glaringly appear to be unnatural, magical, or miraculous.

Similarly, the eternalism scenario could contain what seemed to be subtle course corrections that scientists could never discern simply because the latter can't document and meassure the consistency of every event even in the macroscopic realm, much less the microscopic (they're not omniscient).

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[Zinjanthropos]

When god chooses then IT would be selecting the appropriate alternative. This implies that IT doesn’t know ahead of time. God then has no idea who to choose from at the start, so the chosen one would would need to satisfy a set of criteria. So now God has to think it over and by doing so God has to make a decision based on who fits the bill the best. Ostro apparently does and that should scared the Hell out of every believer on Earth. Not because it’s Ostro in a state of total obliteration, but because God doesn’t really know everything.

Yah, one of the problems of omniscient and omnipotenct claims, if God is subservient to space, time, and causation just like his creations. Especially in the context of "presentism" (where only a "now" or single state fleetingly exists, not past and future).

Even if God is portrayed as that process itself that is spitting out the succession of "nows", if there is any genuine randomness intruding in the process -- i.e., events not wholly regulated by God's strict principles, then consequently God doesn't know everything that will happen due to that ungoverned infiltrator of the process (the latter, again, also being God). If in response, one contends that God voluntarily allows randomness in what is outputted, then that still negates the claim of knowing everything and being in complete control of the show.

However, if the temporal situation is instead that of "eternalism", where all events of time co-exist (no process occurring), then even if there are things in the continuum that don't adhere to a pattern or rule (i.e., are random), then God could still at least know everything if he is aware of the whole of that block-universe (or whatever label one wants to affix to it). God still has omniscience, albeit omnipotence is arguably compromised (space/time has regions that don't conform perfectly to God's governance, principles, etc).

One way around the previous scenario in presentism context is if God could still intervene and brutely put things back on course if the process strayed too far via the randonmness. But such would have to be subtly occurring often, since waiting till the a situation required a major adjustment would glaringly appear to be unnatural, magical, or miraculous.

Similarly, the eternalism scenario could contain what seemed to be subtle course corrections that scientists could never discern simply because the latter can't document and meassure the consistency of every event even in the macroscopic realm, much less the microscopic (they're not omniscient).

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But in this case God chooses, according to Ostro. Wasn’t prebuilt or prescheduled, God selected Ostro a Chosen One. O claims he proved God and that’s how one moves to the top row, apparently. Let’s see the Pope do that! Difference between the Pope and Ostro is that one doesn’t believe anymore.

I always get to a point when I wonder why bother with this stuff. If only believers kept their belief to themselves. Is there a psychological term for someone to feel the need to proselytize?