UFO/UAP Thread

[Magical Realist]

Historical footage of British policemens' account of a hovering and bright cross-shaped ufo. Such adds a new detail to all the data we have on ufo shapes. Definitely not your standard flying saucer or oval-shaped craft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p9yTJaee6g

[Yazata]

Here's a rather different kind of unidentified space vehicle video. (Actually two vehicles in formation.)

The lines moving rapidly from left to right are stars. The objects of interest are the two dots moving slowly from top to bottom. They are definitely space vehicles in geosynchronous orbit. Both are transmitting on known frequencies.

The dot that moves more rapidly from top to bottom along the left is the defunct Palapa C2 satellite, an old Indonesian communications satellite originally launched in 1996 by a European Space Agency Ariane rocket from Kourou.

None of the amateur satellite watchers seem to have identified the two mystery objects, though I'd guess that the US Space Force knows since they track and try to identify everything.

What struck me was that two objects are flying in formation, alongside each other. We all know that the US, Russia and China are all working on interceptor satellites designed to match orbits with, inspect and if necessary destroy foreign satellites deemed a threat. So might this be somebody's test of such a system?

https://twitter.com/coastal8049/status/1...8155710483

[Yazata]

Interesting story in The Hill:

https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4...ered-ufos/

"Has the U.S. government secretly retrieved exotic craft of “non-human” origin? Newly declassified documents, along with extraordinary legislation, illustrate how two successive Democratic Senate majority leaders appear to have believed so.

Notably, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and the late Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) were not alone in their focus on UFOs. The Democratic heavyweights received critical support and encouragement from a bipartisan group of high-profile senators over the years, including former fighter pilot and famed astronaut John Glenn (D-Ohio); Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), who observed a UFO as a World War II pilot; Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii), then-chairman of the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense; 2008 GOP presidential nominee Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.); Senate Intelligence Vice Chairman Marco Rubio (R-Fla.); Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.)...

...In short, Reid and Lieberman were advocating, “with some sense of urgency,” for the establishment of a formal UFO reverse-engineering program.

Startling as it may be, the notion that shadowy elements of the U.S. government or defense contractors secretly possess retrieved UFOs is treated as fact in the documents.

Notably, the Reid- and Lieberman-backed proposal included an “Oral History Initiative” to interview a pre-identified “list of retired, previously highly placed government, armed services, contractor, and intelligence community individuals” with knowledge of the “location of advanced aerospace technology and biological samples.”

Even though the Department of Homeland Security’s top scientist was advocating for the establishment of the UFO program and the “very serious science involved with” it, department leadership ultimately quashed the proposal in late 2011.

More recently, Schumer and a bipartisan group of five other senators introduced extraordinary legislation alleging the existence of surreptitious “legacy programs” that retrieve and seek to reverse-engineer UFOs of “non-human” origin.

In eyebrow-raising comments on the Senate floor, Schumer said the government “has gathered a great deal of information about [UFOs] over many decades but has refused to share it with the American people.”...

...The core elements of Schumer and Rounds’s stunning legislation match the allegations of Air Force veteran and former intelligence official David Grusch, who testified under oath to the existence of UFO retrieval and reverse engineering efforts not subject to congressional oversight...

...In January, Sean Kirkpatrick, the former director of the Pentagon’s UFO analysis office, embarked on an unusual media tour to pour cold water on the swirling allegations of secret, unreported UFO programs. But Kirkpatrick’s public commentary appears to have had little effect on Capitol Hill. In March, Rounds indicated twice that the extraordinary Schumer-led legislation alleging the existence of unreported UFO programs would be reintroduced this year.

Asked on May 2 whether a 63-page Pentagon report categorically denying the existence of illicit UFO efforts is “case closed,” Gillibrand stated, “Oh, it’s definitely not case closed.”...

...Crucially, another set of newly released documents indicates that high-level current and former officials with apparent knowledge of illicit UFO programs refused to meet with Kirkpatrick.

In a June 2023 interview with NewsNation, Rubio made a series of startling UFO-related comments. According to Rubio, “smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government” have informed Congress of the existence of secret UFO programs.

As the documents reveal, Kirkpatrick was taken by surprise by Rubio’s comments. A Senate Intelligence Committee staffer subsequently informed Kirkpatrick that the senior officials described by Rubio were among those who refused to speak to his office.

As Christopher Mellon, the Department of Defense’s former top civilian intelligence official, notes, many UFO whistleblowers do not trust the Pentagon process, preferring to speak to Congress and the intelligence community’s internal watchdog instead.

This puts the Pentagon in a particularly awkward position. If the director of the UFO office was aware that high-level officials alleging the existence of unreported UFO programs refused to speak with him, how can he and his office credibly issue sweeping denials that such programs exist?

[Yazata]

https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/med...pdf#page=6

https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/UA...a_Blue.pdf

https://www.newsnationnow.com/video/full...n/8770746/

https://christopherkmellon.substack.com/...al-message

[Yazata]

Journal of Astronomical Instrumentation

Special Issue: Instrumentation and Software for the Detection and Characterization of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena (UAP)

https://worldscientific.com/toc/jai/12/01

[Magical Realist]

More confirmation that more scientists and science organizations are taking uaps seriously! The abundance and credibility of the reports cannot be denied any longer.

[Yazata]

WASHINGTON—Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Information Technology, and Government Innovation Chairwoman Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) and Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs Chairwoman Glenn Grothman (R-Wis.) will hold a joint hearing titled “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth.” This second hearing on the topic of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs) will attempt to further pull back the curtain on secret UAP research programs conducted by the U.S. government, and undisclosed findings they have yielded. The hearing will examine the Department of Defense’s (DoD) reluctance to appropriately declassify material on UAPs, and ways to make sure the American public is better informed on this topic.

“This is our second hearing on the topic of UAPs and the American people are tired of the obfuscation and refusal to release information by the federal government. Americans deserve to understand what the government has learned about UAP sightings, and the nature of any potential threats these phenomena pose. We can only ensure that understanding by providing consistent, systemic transparency. We look forward to hearing from expert witnesses on ways to shed more light and bring greater accountability to this issue,” said Mace and Grothman.

WHAT: Hearing titled “Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena: Exposing the Truth”

DATE: Wednesday, November 13, 2024

TIME: 11:30 a.m. ET

LOCATION: 2154 Rayburn House Office Building

WITNESSES:

Dr. Tim Gallaudet
Rear Admiral, U.S. Navy (RET.)
Chief Executive Officer, Ocean STL Consulting, LLC

Mr. Luis Elizondo
Author, and Former Department of Defense Official

Mr. Michael Gold
Former NASA Associate Administrator of Space Policy and Partnerships; Member of NASA UAP Independent Study Team

Mr. Michael Shellenberger
Founder of Public

The hearing will be open to the public and press and will be livestreamed online at https://oversight.house.gov/. Press must be congressionally credentialed and RSVP by Tuesday, November 12, at 5:00pm.


https://oversight.house.gov/release/mace...%ef%bf%bc/

https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/unid...the-truth/

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/kT2iWKZr0qA

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[Yazata]

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[Magical Realist]

It's time to pay the piper Pentagon! Here's some further jaw-dropping revelations from today's Congressional UAP hearing. I never dared believe this until now!

https://youtu.be/NSySUGy_qaw