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UFO/UAP Thread - Yazata - Aug 30, 2022
I felt that this subject deserves it's own thread.
To start it off, here's something from Senate Intelligence Committee of the United States Senate dated July 20, 2022.
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/117th-congress/senate-report/132/1
It's an unclassified summary of parts of the classified 2023 Intelligence Authorization Act.
Buried under piles of bureaucrat-speak is some interesting stuff relevant to the UAPs.
Section 703 renames the office that will carry on the activities of the UAP Task Force and clarifies its authorities, duties and leadership. They are now referring to UAPs as "Unidentified Aerospace-Undersea Phenomena". (The new name of the office is the Unidentified Aerospace-Undersea Phenomena Joint Program Office.)
Section 704 establishes reporting procedures.
Section 705 directs the Comptroller General of the United States to conduct an independent review and compilation of historical unidentified aerospace-undersea phenomena information in the possession of the United States.
This is followed by some extraordinary text that I expect MR will like. Here it is, with highlighting by me:
"At a time when cross-domain transmedium threats to United States national security are expanding exponentially, the committee is disappointed with the slow pace of DoD-led efforts to establish the office to address those threats and to replace the former Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force as required in section 1683 of the national defense authorization act for fiscal year 2022. The Committee was hopeful that the new office would address many of the structural issues hindering progress. To accelerate progress, the Committee has, pursuant to section 703, renamed the organization formerly known as the Unidentified Aerial Phenomena Task Force and the Aerial Object Identification and Management Synchronization Management Group to be the Unidentified Aerospace - Undersea Phenomena Joint Program Office. That change reflects the broader scope of the effort directed by Congress. Identification, classification and scientific study of unidentified aerospace - undersea phenomena is an inherently challenging cross-agency, cross-domain problem requiring an integrated or joint Intelligence community and DoD approach. The new office will continue to be led by DoD, with a Deputy Director named by the Intelligence community. The formal DoD and Intelligence Community definition of the terms used by the Office shall be updated to include space and undersea, and the scope of the Office shall be inclusive of those additional domains with focus on addressing technology surprise and "unknown unknowns". Temporarily nonattributed objects, or those that are positively identified as man-made after analysis, will be passed to appropriate offices and should not be considered under the definition as unidentified aerospace - undersea phenomena."
Some questions and comments from me:
What is behind their saying that threats are "multiplying exponentially"? What has led them to include "space" and "undersea" in the UAP definition? Are they just striving for completeness, or do they have cases that they don't want to talk about publicly that have unsettled them a little (as the multiplying threats idea suggests)?
The worry about "technology surprise" certainly suggests that they are taking these things seriously and aren't just dismissing them. The openness to "unknown unknowns" is very positive in my opinion, from a philosophical perspective. They aren't just restricting themselves to expected sorts of "known unknowns", unknowns that will resolve into familiar classifications when enough is learned about them. They are seemingly open to (and perhaps concerned about) the possibility that something truly new might be happening here, something that might not have a nice explanatory category all prepared it.
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - Magical Realist - Aug 30, 2022
Quote:Temporarily nonattributed objects, or those that are positively identified as man-made after analysis, will be passed to appropriate offices and should not be considered under the definition as unidentified aerospace - undersea phenomena."
Well there goes the skeptics' strategy of reducing every sighting to a mundane object that simply hasn't been identified yet.
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - Yazata - Aug 30, 2022
It will be useful to include a link to this earlier thread about the 'UAP Preliminary Assessment'
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-10555.html
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - C C - Aug 30, 2022
(Aug 30, 2022 08:01 PM)Yazata Wrote: It will be useful to include a link to this earlier thread about the 'UAP Preliminary Assessment'
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-10555.html
"Most of the UAP reported probably do represent physical objects given that a majority of UAP were registered across multiple sensors, to include radar, infrared, electro-optical, weapon seekers, and visual observation."
"In a limited number of incidents, UAP reportedly appeared to exhibit unusual flight characteristics. These observations could be the result of sensor errors, spoofing, or observer misperception and require additional rigorous analysis."
"There are probably multiple types of UAP requiring different explanations based on the range of appearances and behaviors described in the available reporting."
"UAP clearly pose a safety of flight issue and may pose a challenge to U.S. national security."
The last pertains to the most flagrant, negligent attitude transpiring for decades. Why give a free pass to unidentified objects in a flight space?
Similar indifference doesn't apply if a known aircraft or vessel that properly placed itself on record was reckless, breaking the rules, or violating an atmospheric region.
Note that "free pass" primarily alludes to the long-term apathy about an incident (i.e., relegating it to the Crazy Files or one of the throwaway tropes for creating appearance of being solved). And not any immediate response to, but very short-lived interest, surrounding the time when the event occurred.
Bagrat Svendsen: "Where's the outrage and the desire to punish these anonymous interlopers, Otto? What ___-ing sentimentality have you sold-out to while my back was turned?" --Clue of the Painted Pearls
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - Yazata - Aug 31, 2022
Here's something interesting.
Somebody filed a FOIA request to the US Navy... "I would like to request all display tapes relating to these 19 reports that were uploaded to the specified repository (as per the instructions on the "Range Fouler Debrief Form")." The individual making the request notes, "Please note that the NAVY has previously released display tapes titled "FLIR1", "GOFAST" and "GIMBAL"", which were declassified upon removal of metadata. So the requestor argues that any other videos should be declassified and released as well.
I'm guessing that the "19 reports" refer to videos associated with these brutally redacted "Range Fouler Debrief Forms" released in response to an earlier FOIA request.
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/foia/readingroom/CaseFiles/UFO%20Info/UAP%20DOCUMENTS/2019%20Range%20Fouler%20Debrief.pdf
In its reply, the Navy says (highlighting by me), "OPNAV, N2/N6 has identified 24 videos that are responsive to your request. These videos have been deemed classified and are exempt from disclosure in their entirety under exemption 5 U.S.C. 552 (b) (1) which protects national security information converning the national defense or foreign policy from disclosure..." and denies the FOIA request on those grounds.
So if you liked "GIMBAL" and "GOFAST", they acknowledge that they are still sitting on at least 24 additional videos. (Mick West had better be exercising his sneer muscles. He might find himself having to use them a lot.)
https://twitter.com/MvonRen/status/1562890410732597248
![[Image: FbCAi6tVEAEOlUY?format=jpg&name=large]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbCAi6tVEAEOlUY?format=jpg&name=large)
The person making the original request did proceed to file an appeal to the Navy Judge Advocate General's office and the JAGs (Navy legal department) granted the appeal on the basis of the same argument in the original request, that if classified information is separable from unclassified information, the unclassified portion should be released.
![[Image: FbGyJVkUUAADAj1?format=jpg&name=large]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FbGyJVkUUAADAj1?format=jpg&name=large)
As of this date, the original FOIA requestor still hasn't received copies of any of the videos.
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - Magical Realist - Aug 31, 2022
I hope one result of the NASA study is the public release of more declassified videos. I would really like to see those 24 videos of UAPs.
https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3622421-the-pentagon-should-release-dozens-of-ufo-videos/
"The Pentagon has at least two dozen, and likely far more, UFO videos in its possession. Despite public commitments to transparency, officials refuse to release any of the footage. But the government’s rationale – that disclosure would jeopardize sensitive “sources and methods” – likely holds no water with many of the videos.
In March 2019, amid increasing military encounters with objects appearing to exhibit highly advanced flight characteristics, the Navy instituted a standardized UFO reporting mechanism. Despite heavy redactions, these reports show that fighter pilots are frequently left stunned by such incidents..."
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - Yazata - Sep 4, 2022
Lex Fridman, an MIT AI guy who does very good interview videos/podcasts, has a long wide ranging conversation with aeronautical engineer and former Navy F-18 pilot Ryan Graves, about the many UAPs seen on many occasions in military airspace off the coast of Virginia Beach. They discuss how they are detected, various uncertainties, their appearance and behavior. Graves is currently chairman of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics UAP Community of Interest.
https://twitter.com/uncertainvector
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - Kornee - Sep 17, 2022
Yeah this is believe it or not UFO/UAP/USO/ related. But kind of more at the same time.
Comments, of what I consider to be of an unexpectedly stiff-spined not jellyfish nature, on pages 360, 361, here:
http://www.sciforums.com/forums/ufos-ghosts-and-monsters.108/
give me some hope in the possibility of fundamental change in philosophical/moral pov for individuals imo not earlier particularly notable for exhibiting such virtues!
The 'trick' is to unwaveringly call out self-serving evident hypocrisy for what it is. Regardless of negative blow-back from authority-figure sycophants etc.
There is implicit above a general theme spillover into other arenas. Pervading politics, ideology, as 'examples'. Best though not to open more cans of worms.
Long live UFO incursions!
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - Kornee - Sep 19, 2022
A recent 'objective commentary' aimed at 'UFO nuts - or those judged to have an incipient tendency towards being 'UFO nuts'', from the premier sucked-up-to king-pin at another forum:
"..Another potential explanation for tic-tac sightings is that there's a supernatural God who calls herself Thelma, who has a tribe of subservient pixies who love to create mischief by fooling clumsy human beings into seeing faked tic-tac images in the sky. There's zero evidentiary support for this potential explanation, either. So, on that basis, it's pretty much on an even footing with the aquatic alien hypothesis, when it comes to providing an explanation for tic-tac sightings..."
The extreme scornful caricature exhibited in that snippet should be enough to shun such a hypocrite. Of course said forum king-pin cannot furnish any link to anyone professing belief in that infantile parody of those with a truly integrative mindset. Those who have actually put in the requisite breadth and depth of open minded research.
RE: UFO/UAP Thread - Kornee - Sep 19, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syGME_XtHkg
Link to source given in description. Scoffers choose to ignore such. Too embarrassing. The mischievous supernatural nature exhibited obviously never lends itself to 'hard evidence' of the naive kind demanded by those who always turn it into a case of it's either 'space aliens' or nothing.
Space aliens that travel vast distances to then......masterfully mutilate donkeys among other 'tricks'?
And once more, that 1952 Washington flap series of incidents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbC5bXzIOK4
No, we are not and never have been dealing with 'advanced tech' here - terrestrial or interstellar 'alien'. Try adjusting to the implication of 'beyond physical'.