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Syne
Sep 1, 2022 12:18 AM
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(Aug 31, 2022 11:57 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: (Aug 30, 2022 11:58 PM)Syne Wrote: (Aug 30, 2022 01:31 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: It’s the ultimate attribution error where the cause is attributed to the traits of an outgroup, but what about the city’s levees failing due to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers design failures?
"...responsibility for maintenance belongs to the local levee boards" - wiki
"All concur that the primary cause of the flooding was inadequate design and construction by the Army Corps of Engineers"—wiki Ahem...
Hard-hit St. Bernard Parish was flooded because of breaching of the levees that contained a navigation channel called the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet (MR-GO) and the breach of the 40 Arpent canal levee that was designed and built by the Orleans Levee Board. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_...ouisiana_2
When Katrina struck on August 29, 2005, the hurricane protection system was between 60–90% complete. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_levee...ew_Orleans
And from the NYT article your quote cites:
A high-profile 2006 report, underwritten by the National Science Foundation, upheld a common refrain: that local officials in New Orleans had contributed to the disaster by forcing the corps to build less-effective protection for the city than the corps had wanted to build.
The corps had proposed a plan that would have put gates at the mouths of the canals that could be closed as a storm approached. The city’s levee board members and other officials pushed for an alternate corps plan: the construction of several miles of levees and flood walls along the canals. - https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/us/de...corps.html
Then that article goes on to play this little game of excuses to distract from the simple fact that the levee board selected which Army Corps of Engineers plan they wanted to be built.
Quote:And if you click on the link to the interview that you posted, you can read the entire statement. Violence isn’t limited to physical violence.
Yes, violence has literally been physical force until morons started redefining words in the last 5-10 years.
Equivocating in a way that blurs the line between vehemence and illegal physical force is intellectually suspect.
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C C
Sep 1, 2022 04:53 AM
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(Aug 31, 2022 07:48 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I think this is a man. Err!
I'd still use "they" and "them" just to be on the safe side, though.
For instance, DPC (of "Wynona Earp") may have still been maintaining a girly-girl look when she they requested being referenced with non-binary pronouns. This is not the original photo on the Wikipedia entry, even after the gendered pronouns were eliminated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_...t-Chalkley
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Secular Sanity
Sep 1, 2022 02:29 PM
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(Sep 1, 2022 12:18 AM)Syne Wrote: Ahem...
Hard-hit St. Bernard Parish was flooded because of breaching of the levees that contained a navigation channel called the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet (MR-GO) and the breach of the 40 Arpent canal levee that was designed and built by the Orleans Levee Board. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_...ouisiana_2
When Katrina struck on August 29, 2005, the hurricane protection system was between 60–90% complete. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_levee...ew_Orleans
And from the NYT article your quote cites:
A high-profile 2006 report, underwritten by the National Science Foundation, upheld a common refrain: that local officials in New Orleans had contributed to the disaster by forcing the corps to build less-effective protection for the city than the corps had wanted to build.
The corps had proposed a plan that would have put gates at the mouths of the canals that could be closed as a storm approached. The city’s levee board members and other officials pushed for an alternate corps plan: the construction of several miles of levees and flood walls along the canals. - https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/24/us/de...corps.html
Then that article goes on to play this little game of excuses to distract from the simple fact that the levee board selected which Army Corps of Engineers plan they wanted to be built.
Either way, it wasn’t a (God’s gonna get'cha for that) event. It’s a plain ole just-world bias. It’s a way to say that it couldn’t happen to me, but it also shows a lack of empathy and self-centeredness—a vile practice.
(Sep 1, 2022 04:53 AM)C C Wrote: (Aug 31, 2022 07:48 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I think this is a man. Err!
I'd still use "they" and "them" just to be on the safe side, though.
For instance, DPC (of "Wynona Earp") may have still been maintaining a girly-girl look when she they requested being referenced with non-binary pronouns. This is not the original photo on the Wikipedia entry, even after the gendered pronouns were eliminated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_...t-Chalkley
Well, my assumptions are never as extreme as Yazata's. I checked. It's He/Him.
Thanks, C C!
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Syne
Sep 2, 2022 12:59 AM
(Sep 1, 2022 02:29 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Either way, it wasn’t a (God’s gonna get'cha for that) event. It’s a plain ole just-world bias. It’s a way to say that it couldn’t happen to me, but it also shows a lack of empathy and self-centeredness—a vile practice.
Believe it or not, there are people who live their wholes lives without anything near such a disaster happening to them. Now you can call that luck, smarter choice of geography, etc.. But some people in tornado alley get pummeled multiple times, while everyone else watches from their front porch in morbid curiosity.
Either way, it's not "nice" to rub it in. But morality tales, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, can be both false and useful. Sin may not have caused it, but that doesn't make sin a good thing either.
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confused2
Sep 2, 2022 12:59 PM
(Sep 2, 2022 12:59 AM)Syne Wrote: (Sep 1, 2022 02:29 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Either way, it wasn’t a (God’s gonna get'cha for that) event. It’s a plain ole just-world bias. It’s a way to say that it couldn’t happen to me, but it also shows a lack of empathy and self-centeredness—a vile practice.
Believe it or not, there are people who live their wholes lives without anything near such a disaster happening to them. Now you can call that luck, smarter choice of geography, etc.. But some people in tornado alley get pummeled multiple times, while everyone else watches from their front porch in morbid curiosity.
Either way, it's not "nice" to rub it in. But morality tales, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, can be both false and useful. Sin may not have caused it, but that doesn't make sin a good thing either. Similar to telling children the boogie man will get them if they don't behave .. but .. the boogie man is real .. at least for some people.
My guess is that the problem with (some) gay men is the number of partners not the 'being gay' in and of itself.
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Syne
Sep 2, 2022 11:21 PM
(Sep 2, 2022 12:59 PM)confused2 Wrote: My guess is that the problem with (some) gay men is the number of partners not the 'being gay' in and of itself.
At least as far as monkey pox goes.
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