Russian Ukraine Invasion

[C C]

Putin wants to look good.
Putin gives an interview.
Putin looks good.
I feel like I'm missing something too (1 being SS post above).

Think of Putin (and that propaganda shill of China's over at SciForums) as something akin to an expert abusive spouse. Who soon has the partner guiltily persuaded or ghostlighted that s/he's actually the one responsible -- the cause of her/him molesting their child kept in the basement since the age of twelve (and all the other stuff he did over the years).

[Secular Sanity]

Putin wants to look good.
Putin gives an interview.
Putin looks good.
I feel like I'm missing something too (1 being SS post above).

Think of Putin (and that propaganda shill of China's over at SciForums) as something akin to an expert abusive spouse. Who soon has the partner guiltily persuaded or ghostlighted that s/he's actually the one responsible -- the cause of her/him molesting their child kept in the basement since the age of twelve (and all the other stuff he did over the years).

And that analogy would hold if you could point out where we haven’t been doing what he's claiming we've done.

[C C]

Putin wants to look good.
Putin gives an interview.
Putin looks good.
I feel like I'm missing something too (1 being SS post above).

Think of Putin (and that propaganda shill of China's over at SciForums) as something akin to an expert abusive spouse. Who soon has the partner guiltily persuaded or ghostlighted that s/he's actually the one responsible -- the cause of her/him molesting their child kept in the basement since the age of twelve (and all the other stuff he did over the years).

And that analogy would hold if you could point out where we haven’t been doing what he's claiming we've done.

"Sorry, kid. We can't release you from the basement because what Mama done justifies (caused, etc) what your daddy's doing. So carry on, you wild and crazy guy, you (i.e., Dad)."

[confused2]

If you do a bad thing but don't feel guilty about it then you haven't really done a bad thing.
Some guy comes along and starts saying
"You did this really horrib__________
Don't listen. They only have any power if you listen. Kind of the opposite of gaslighting.

[Secular Sanity]

Putin wants to look good.
Putin gives an interview.
Putin looks good.
I feel like I'm missing something too (1 being SS post above).

Think of Putin (and that propaganda shill of China's over at SciForums) as something akin to an expert abusive spouse. Who soon has the partner guiltily persuaded or ghostlighted that s/he's actually the one responsible -- the cause of her/him molesting their child kept in the basement since the age of twelve (and all the other stuff he did over the years).

And that analogy would hold if you could point out where we haven’t been doing what he's claiming we've done.

"Sorry, kid. We can't release you from the basement because what Mama done justifies (caused, etc) what your daddy's doing. So carry on, you wild and crazy guy, you (i.e., Dad)."

Can’t really let the child out of the basement if someone’s not willing to fully support the child.

Acceptance to NATO would force us to comply with Article 5. I’d be really surprised if that happened.

[C C]

If you do a bad thing but don't feel guilty about it then you haven't really done a bad thing.
Some guy comes along and starts saying
"You did this really horrib__________
Don't listen. They only have any power if you listen. Kind of the opposite of gaslighting.

Aww... Never mind. Was trying to hitch a ride on a passing freight train to opportunistically clarify something, but fell off after a few feet. Case of clumsy 'bo distracted by trying to type/read and do two other things at the same time.

Even if listening...

I'm either responsible for or/and justify your evil acts because of my evil acts (whether admitting them or not). So you [figurative] need to keep me around as a scapegoat and drop the divorce proceedings. The world's your oyster with me as the fall woman.

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Putin wants to look good.
Putin gives an interview.
Putin looks good.
I feel like I'm missing something too (1 being SS post above).

Think of Putin (and that propaganda shill of China's over at SciForums) as something akin to an expert abusive spouse. Who soon has the partner guiltily persuaded or ghostlighted that s/he's actually the one responsible -- the cause of her/him molesting their child kept in the basement since the age of twelve (and all the other stuff he did over the years).

And that analogy would hold if you could point out where we haven’t been doing what he's claiming we've done.

"Sorry, kid. We can't release you from the basement because what Mama done justifies (caused, etc) what your daddy's doing. So carry on, you wild and crazy guy, you (i.e., Dad)."

Can’t really let the child out of the basement if someone’s not willing to fully support the child.

Acceptance to NATO would force us to comply with Article 5. I’d be really surprised if that happened.

A situation where the grown-ups available to offer Timmy support (West, Russia, China) are each supposedly devilish bastards from the standpoint of one or the other's perspective. There are two of them, however, that few have ever been consistently lining up in hordes to be adopted by. Which branch of the trifurcated road will troubled Timmy choose? The two roads less traveled or the one that's worn like hell? Tune in next week...

[Secular Sanity]

A situation where the grown-ups available to offer Timmy support (West, Russia, China) are each supposedly devilish bastards from the standpoint of one or the other's perspective. There are two of them, however, that few have ever been consistently lining up in hordes to be adopted by. Which branch of the trifurcated road will troubled Timmy choose? The two roads less traveled or the one that's worn like hell? Tune in next week...

That’s great. We’re all for democracy prevailing, but if Timmy’s biological parents show up, the courts aren’t going to put little Timmy up for adoption. Putin isn’t stupid. He checked us and did just that. Little Timmy isn’t an asset, he’s a liability now. The question isn’t 'who Timmy will choose' because he already chose us, it’s whether or not we’re willing to adopt him. Tune in next week…

[confused2]

I reckon there's some smart shielas round these parts.
So far no scenario (some stranger than others) look good for Timmy.
If Timmy doesn't head for the border does he have any future [edit in any scenario] (quite likely a short future) that doesn't involve being blown up, cooked, shot or starved ... ?

[C C]

A situation where the grown-ups available to offer Timmy support (West, Russia, China) are each supposedly devilish bastards from the standpoint of one or the other's perspective. There are two of them, however, that few have ever been consistently lining up in hordes to be adopted by. Which branch of the trifurcated road will troubled Timmy choose? The two roads less traveled or the one that's worn like hell? Tune in next week...

That’s great. We’re all for democracy prevailing, but if Timmy’s biological parents show up, the courts aren’t going to put little Timmy up for adoption. Putin isn’t stupid. He checked us and did just that. Little Timmy isn’t an asset, he’s a liability now. The question isn’t 'who Timmy will choose' because he already chose us, it’s whether or not we’re willing to adopt him. Tune in next week…

Ah, so it's our actual indifference (beforehand; leaving them hanging in the wind so to speak) coupled with pretentiousness that makes us the bad guys and the cause of Putin doing what he's doing. My bad. Should have zeroed in better on what the West should be wallowing in guilt and shame over as Godzilla goes about reducing towns to rubble. Just took it for granted as the usual broad range of shenanigans attributed to us. ("Just admit you're the one responsible for him behaving that way. Just admit it, you wretched little babysitter tart!")

"We’ve forced his hand. Why? Was it to weaken Russia or are we just that delusional about the promotion of democracy and/or globalism?

They already decided in 2008 that Ukraine and Georgia could join NATO, but now…crickets. They put in an application to join the EU and are begging for immediate acceptance, but thus far, the words of encouragement are just symbolic.

What am I missing here because it looks to me like we’re the bad guys, and Ukraine…a sacrificial lamb?"

[Yazata]

Day 8 situation report

https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasio...8-summary/