that is great that lithuania is enacting the sanctions
Russia caused this
they can withdraw their troops any time they choose
now they will have to do the work to supply Kaliningrad which will mean they have to spend money.
A very different spin from Western MSM one, on how Ukraine/NATO vs Russia conflict is currently poised, and how best to proceed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_54M0muoJU
Initially surprised, but that gent evidently has access to good intel from insiders in the US military.
(Jun 22, 2022 02:15 PM)Kornee Wrote: A very different spin from Western MSM one, on how Ukraine/NATO vs Russia conflict is currently poised, and how best to proceed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_54M0muoJU
Initially surprised, but that gent evidently has access to good intel from insiders in the US military.
a conservative republican . . .
Russian apologist who covets putins power
probably a KKK member all his life
reading a script on camera (whos script is he reading?)
and you think he has a balanced perspective ?
using ad hominem
he sounds like an anti-democratic type of person(irony)
quoting him here
Quote:"usa s' infatuation with alternative energy has over years compelled Europeans to rely on undependable solar & wind power"
what a crock of shit !
quoting him again
Quote:ironically the march to war has effectively subordinated the Europe Union to NATO thus restoring Great Brittan to its position of dominance over continental Europe despite BREXIT
what complete bullshit
soo did he get the script from the Schiller Institute (what ever that is)
remember what i said about me guessing he is probably a life time member of KKK
so who is the Schiller Institute
Quote:Allegations of antisemitism arose in 2003 following the death of Jeremiah Duggan, a student who had been attending their conference in Germany. The Schiller Institute was accused of spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories. An internal London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard) letter, obtained by the BBC's Newsnight during a British investigation into the death says: "The Schiller Institute and the LaRouche Youth Movement... blames the Jewish people for the Iraq war and all the other problems in the world. Jeremiah's lecture notes and bulletins showed the antisemitic nature of [the] ideology."[6] The German newspaper Berliner Zeitung categorizes the Schiller Institute as antisemitic.
Quote:Cult allegations
Following the 2003 death of Duggan, cult allegations were made.[42][43][44][45][46] According to the Berliner Zeitung, the LaRouche movement in Germany, operating as the Schiller Institute, LaRouche Youth Movement, Europäische Arbeiterpartei and Bürgerrechtsbewegung Solidarität (BüSo), had around 300 followers in 2007, and "next to Scientology, [was] the cult soliciting most aggressively in German streets at [that] time."[44]
The BBC's Newsnight has said the institute places members under "psychological duress," during "so-called psycho sessions."[6] Aglaja Beyes Corleis, a member of the Schiller Institute for 16 years, who left in the early 1990s and wrote a book about the Institute,[47] told the BBC:
Quote:When I speak with family members how I was then at that time, [they] tell me 'You were like from a different planet.' ... People tend to be drawn into it who did not want to be drawn into it, who did not want to join a cult or a sect or something like that ... I was freaked out and I experienced that other people freaked out. I saw other people who, members who, got out of their mind ... Sometimes Jewish members were put under special pressure. For instance, at a public meeting, the person was picked out and publicly attacked – 'your mother visited Israel'."[6]
On November 6, 2003, a British inquest heard allegations that the Schiller Institute is a "political cult with sinister and dangerous connections."[45][46] which may have used controversial recruitment techniques on Duggan.[48]
confused2Jun 23, 2022 01:34 AM (This post was last modified: Jun 23, 2022 01:36 AM by confused2.)
(Jun 22, 2022 02:15 PM)Kornee Wrote: A very different spin from Western MSM one, on how Ukraine/NATO vs Russia conflict is currently poised, and how best to proceed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_54M0muoJU
Initially surprised, but that gent evidently has access to good intel from insiders in the US military.
It is either true or false that Russia fires ten heavy artillery rounds for every one fired by Ukraine and for every ten rounds fired the Russians get another ten and for every round fired by Ukraine they have one less to fire. If true and this is a war won or lost by heavy artillery then Ukraine are losing.
At the end of WW2 the UK (an ally under threat) owed the USA around $4 billion (accounts and sources differ) .. in today's money about $20 trillion. To say nothing of the forgotten US soldiers who died.
Actually not forgotten..
Normandy (France) [9,386 graves] is ABMC's [American Battle Monuments Commission] most visited cemetery, receiving [76 years later] approximately one million visitors each year. https://www.abmc.gov/normandy
KorneeJun 23, 2022 04:34 AM (This post was last modified: Jun 23, 2022 04:36 AM by Kornee.)
(Jun 22, 2022 11:12 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Jun 22, 2022 02:15 PM)Kornee Wrote: A very different spin from Western MSM one, on how Ukraine/NATO vs Russia conflict is currently poised, and how best to proceed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_54M0muoJU
Initially surprised, but that gent evidently has access to good intel from insiders in the US military.
a conservative republican . . .
Russian apologist who covets putins power
probably a KKK member all his life
reading a script on camera (whos script is he reading?)
and you think he has a balanced perspective ?
using ad hominem
he sounds like an anti-democratic type of person(irony)
quoting him here
Quote:"usa s' infatuation with alternative energy has over years compelled Europeans to rely on undependable solar & wind power"
what a crock of shit !
quoting him again
Quote:ironically the march to war has effectively subordinated the Europe Union to NATO thus restoring Great Brittan to its position of dominance over continental Europe despite BREXIT
what complete bullshit
soo did he get the script from the Schiller Institute (what ever that is)
remember what i said about me guessing he is probably a life time member of KKK
so who is the Schiller Institute
Quote:Allegations of antisemitism arose in 2003 following the death of Jeremiah Duggan, a student who had been attending their conference in Germany. The Schiller Institute was accused of spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories. An internal London Metropolitan Police (Scotland Yard) letter, obtained by the BBC's Newsnight during a British investigation into the death says: "The Schiller Institute and the LaRouche Youth Movement... blames the Jewish people for the Iraq war and all the other problems in the world. Jeremiah's lecture notes and bulletins showed the antisemitic nature of [the] ideology."[6] The German newspaper Berliner Zeitung categorizes the Schiller Institute as antisemitic.
Quote:Cult allegations
Following the 2003 death of Duggan, cult allegations were made.[42][43][44][45][46] According to the Berliner Zeitung, the LaRouche movement in Germany, operating as the Schiller Institute, LaRouche Youth Movement, Europäische Arbeiterpartei and Bürgerrechtsbewegung Solidarität (BüSo), had around 300 followers in 2007, and "next to Scientology, [was] the cult soliciting most aggressively in German streets at [that] time."[44]
The BBC's Newsnight has said the institute places members under "psychological duress," during "so-called psycho sessions."[6] Aglaja Beyes Corleis, a member of the Schiller Institute for 16 years, who left in the early 1990s and wrote a book about the Institute,[47] told the BBC:
Quote:When I speak with family members how I was then at that time, [they] tell me 'You were like from a different planet.' ... People tend to be drawn into it who did not want to be drawn into it, who did not want to join a cult or a sect or something like that ... I was freaked out and I experienced that other people freaked out. I saw other people who, members who, got out of their mind ... Sometimes Jewish members were put under special pressure. For instance, at a public meeting, the person was picked out and publicly attacked – 'your mother visited Israel'."[6]
On November 6, 2003, a British inquest heard allegations that the Schiller Institute is a "political cult with sinister and dangerous connections."[45][46] which may have used controversial recruitment techniques on Duggan.[48]
Wikipedia tends to be good on technical topics, but atrociously biased on political/ideological ones. Dedicated lobbyists have taken it over. Likewise for the BBC.
The latter managed to produce the excellent documentary 'Dead in the Water' back in 2003. And another one maybe somewhat earlier or later about Vanunu and Dimona.
Not long after it evidently was successfully purged of anyone not singing the Zionist pro-Israel everything tune. It's whitewash treatment of 9-11 and following 'War on of Terror' testifies to that.
As for your claim re KKK membership as 'probable', why not prove it? Just be careful to cross-check any sources.
As evidently a far lefty, I guess you would have no qualms about communist membership for anyone. Or being a rabid Zionist - even though that label is supposedly right-wing.
And btw I have no association with the Schiller Institute and have little knowledge of it's history and sketchy on it's ideology/politics.
Simply found a previous YouTube promoted vid on Ukraine/Russia by Black who the Schiller Institute hosted for interview.
What he has to say resonates with me, although I too wasn't all that impressed with the 'unreliable solar & wind' angle.
His point was there is a current need for fossil fuels and the US led sanctions have placed much of Europe - not the US, in a bad position for the coming winter.
France's Macron can afford to be posturing about it, since France is around 80% nuclear. He will privately be gloating about at last gaining a strong economic advantage over rival Germany.
YazataJun 23, 2022 06:41 AM (This post was last modified: Jun 23, 2022 07:51 AM by Yazata.)
The Russians appear to have (finally) completed a small encirclement of Ukrainian forces south of Lysychansk.
The Russians seem to have originally envisioned a grand encirclement of the whole east by driving south from Izium west of Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. That failed. Then they tried a smaller encirclement of Severodonetsk and Lysychansk through Popasna and Siversk. But they couldn't cross the Siverskiy Donets river in force. So here's a small encirclement on an even smaller scale.
But given the Russian advantage in artillery, it seems to me that the time might be coming when it is smartest for the Ukrainians to pull out of the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area and form a defensive line around Sloviansk and Kramatorsk. (Of course the Ukrainian commanders have done extraordinarily well so far without my advice...) But I disagree vehemently with Col. Black that such a withdrawl from an increasingly exposed position would mean an overall Ukrainian defeat. The Ukrainians have already won, by thwarting the Russian attempt to seize their whole country in a lightning blitzkrieg, and more generally by humiliating the vaunted Russian war machine in a war originally designed to signal Russia's return to Superpower status.
Certainty is growing that Ukraine will survive the war, even if it ends up smaller in size. And given the fact of the war, it will very likely turn Westwards, join NATO and become an implacable Russian enemy for the forseeable future. This struggle won't be quickly forgotten. So if the whole purpose of the war was to incorporate Ukraine in a Russian sphere of influence and perhaps even to annex it to Russia, then the purpose of the war has already been defeated.
(Map from Ukraine War Map @war_mapper) red circles with black outlines are places securely held by the Russians. Purple is places held by the Separatists since 2014. Yellow with grey outlines are places securely held by the Ukrainians. And yellow circles with red outlines are contested places where fighting is happening.
(Jun 22, 2022 02:09 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: that is great that lithuania is enacting the sanctions
I just wish that Germany and France would.
The European Union (which France and Germany effectively control) is great at talking, but far worse at action to back up their words. It's being reported that during the first 100 days of the war, Russia exported $96 billion worth of fossil fuel exports. And much of that went to the EU. Brussels are talking about halting imports, but they say they can't halt liquified natural gas imports for at least two years since doing so would drive the highly Russia-dependent German economy into deep recession. Meanwhile, the partial cutoff of Russian exports has simply driven up the world market price, so the higher per-barrel price of reduced Russian exports are still earning Moscow as much money as it would have made absent sanctions. So the energy sanctions haven't really hurt Russia and have just thrown Europe's own economy into a spin.
It's ironic that President Trump warned of precisely this in 2018, but the response was simply smirks from the Germans and insults from the US establishment media that clearly didn't age well. It does give me a great occasion to use that wonderful German word "Schadenfreude".
On the subject of UK Russian dependancies and renewables being "undependable"
Incidentally the United Kingdoms Gas/Oil is not dependent on Russian imports, they only make up a fraction of what is imported. Technically if the country had been insular in regards to finacial difficulties, the price wouldn't climb that steep. The problem is that when the domestic paid price is doesn't contend with external prices, it either has to match it to keep it domestic or a shortage based upon just economics is created. (The greed of those that can sell for a higher price somewhere else is what causes the rise)
A number of engineers of engineers use to comment that "gas would be piped to Europe to be repriced and then sold back the the UK" (this was of course before Brexit).
In fact thanks to such occurances as the Miner strikes of the 1970's (and economic breakdown and recovery from the early 1980's) the UK purposely diversified so as to not be held to ransom by any one act (which is why some Russian Oil/Gas was bought, but not relied upon) It also lead to the increase in reliance on Nuclear energy at first and the push towards using renewable energies from there on. While some might say it's "Not reliable or Too costly", they do indeed speak from their proverbial arse. Locally out power is generated from a mixture of supplies, mostly wind, we have a Gas plant that takes local (North sea) sourced gas to generate power however the local empathesis has been renewables (considering the county I'm in is very flat so it can be moderately windy.)
In fact there is more work in that industry currently (and planned for the future) for renewables than any other industry locally, so if it's "not reliable, too costly, undependable" or whatever else those uneducated parrots like to say, then the local market isn't seeing it. (and that market isn't driven by grants alone)
I've only had a couple of times the powers been out, once was due to wire in the road burning (old wire burnt out) and another was when they were likely doing works further up the road, for the most part power has been stable. It's only some places out side of the main grid that tend to suffer the brunt of outtages where coverage has less redundancy.
As for Europe:
Historically Europe suffers the same problem as ancient Greece, where it's different states didn't always get on with each or agree, afterall each is it's own country with it's own identity and ideologies. Thus it does mean that it's difficult for Europe too "Act", it's better at "Reacting" when it has a clear defined path and response to take, where there is... "no argument to be had".
That's why the problems that currently exist with Oil and Gas can only be addressed by forcing their hand.
As a parallel, "Russian" is a Crack dealer pimp running a Crackden and Europeans are the junkies hooked on their supply. Crack dealers don't care about the people they supply to, or the people they hurt. Crack dealer pimps do it for the money, they do it so they can power trip as they watch the junkies fight and enter into decline where they never have the chance to fight back. Any time a junkie has a chance to get out, they'll be belittled with their past, their pecking order in status and pushed back under the thumb of the crack dealer pimp.
Junkies of course need to see their repetative pattern for what it is and see that they have a problem before they can seek help. (They can't be helped until they actually seek it themselves). So if they can't see themselves as having a problem (of being hooked), then there is no way out for them.
Law enforcement of course attempts to rememdy the Crack dealer pimp problem by shutting down Crackdens and Crack supplies, as it's not just about locking up the criminal element making money out of all the sufferage caused, but it's also about breaking the chains of bondage that those junkies have holding them back.
In other words Europe literally needs someone to strike directly at the crack dealers supply chain, if Europe can't cold turkey itself then it needs to be forced.
KorneeJun 23, 2022 10:22 AM (This post was last modified: Jun 23, 2022 10:28 AM by Kornee.)
(Jun 23, 2022 06:41 AM)Yazata Wrote: Certainty is growing that Ukraine will survive the war, even if it ends up smaller in size. And given the fact of the war, it will very likely turn Westwards, join NATO and become an implacable Russian enemy for the forseeable future....
That much is patently obvious and not seriously contested by anyone.
Quote:...This struggle won't be quickly forgotten. So if the whole purpose of the war was to incorporate Ukraine in a Russian sphere of influence and perhaps even to annex it to Russia, then the purpose of the war has already been defeated.
Ditto. But it ignores what imo was the real 'Western' game-plan all along. Black covered that fairly well in his earlier vid I posted awhile back. Except - he couched it only in terms of US hegemonic aims. Which is the ostensible aim of Zbigniew Brzezinski's 'Grand Chessboard' Eurasia subjugation/dismemberment/exploitation strategy.
However when one checks out the ethnicity/tribal-loyalty of virtually all the key strategists/implementers (amazingly, Zbigniew Brzezinski himself excluded), a certain pattern emerges.
It's no coincidence that all key Ukrainian's ensconced in power following the 2014 'color revolution' coup, and ever since, have just one ethnicity. The same one for those responsible for the Holodomor Ukrainian holocaust back in the 1920s Bolshevist USSR. They are just getting back their 'traditional' role - one of enslaving and meat-grinding native Ukrainians (Slavs). Turn it into Slav-on-Slav meat-grinding and mutual financial exhaustion, as is the case, then so much more the celebratory glasses are raised. IMO!
Early 2019 TED talk re solar/wind vs nuclear by one reasoned advocate of the latter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yALPEpV4w
An addendum to above arguments involving scathing criticism of retired senator Black's 'undependable solar & wind' claim in talk linked to in #472.
He made a valid point - just not framed widely enough.
(Jun 23, 2022 08:31 AM)stryder Wrote: Law enforcement of course attempts to rememdy the Crack dealer pimp problem by shutting down Crackdens and Crack supplies, as it's not just about locking up the criminal element making money out of all the sufferage caused, but it's also about breaking the chains of bondage that those junkies have holding them back.
In other words Europe literally needs someone to strike directly at the crack dealers supply chain, if Europe can't cold turkey itself then it needs to be forced.
i agree 100%
they should demo the pipe lines as close to the Russian border as possible & cut off Russian war money income
Jun 22, 2022 02:09 PM
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