Read today where Ukraine is thanking Saudi Arabia for voting against Russian annexations. Wasn’t it a couple weeks ago when Putin was thanking same country for help organizing a prisoner exchange. Am I dealing with some trick news broadcasting? Both countries could use some cash so probably best to genuflect before them. First professional golf and now these, like the Saudi’s want an image change. I thought it might have something to do with upcoming Qatar World Cup. idk
YazataOct 14, 2022 06:10 PM (This post was last modified: Oct 14, 2022 07:55 PM by Yazata.)
The Russians are mad that Ukraine wrecked their bridge, so they attacked Ukraine's electrical grid. Ukraine is mad that Russia attacked their electrical grid, so they attacked the power plant that supplies electricity to Belgorod Russia. From the photo, it looks like the city in the distance is still brightly illuminated so power is still flowing. But the foreground looks blacked out.
edit - And the Russians have already restored power to the blacked out portions of Belgorod. But rumor has it that given the increasing frequency of air attacks on the city, Belgorod schools will be closed indefinitely, starting Monday.
(Oct 14, 2022 12:49 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Read today where Ukraine is thanking Saudi Arabia for voting against Russian annexations. Wasn’t it a couple weeks ago when Putin was thanking same country for help organizing a prisoner exchange. Am I dealing with some trick news broadcasting? Both countries could use some cash so probably best to genuflect before them. First professional golf and now these, like the Saudi’s want an image change. I thought it might have something to do with upcoming Qatar World Cup. idk
i think yes
PR campaign because the saudis want to modernize their society which must mean international relationships.
& i think usa is a big customer so they need to keep usa on side.
saudis will want to keep buying usa weapons too.
(Oct 14, 2022 06:10 PM)Yazata Wrote: The Russians are mad that Ukraine wrecked their bridge, so they attacked Ukraine's electrical grid. Ukraine is mad that Russia attacked their electrical grid, so they attacked the power plant that supplies electricity to Belgorod Russia. From the photo, it looks like the city in the distance is still brightly illuminated so power is still flowing. But the foreground looks blacked out.
edit - And the Russians have already restored power to the blacked out portions of Belgorod. But rumor has it that given the increasing frequency of air attacks on the city, Belgorod schools will be closed indefinitely, starting Monday.
if i was commanding the HIMARS i would order a direct strike of high explosive then a second strike of cluster mines on their main power plants so they are forced to de-mine their power plant before they can repair it.
note
comments about kherson
kerch bridge
no trucks moving over kerch bridge which means now Crimea will be running out of supplies for their kherson front lines
i would be looking at HIMARS(long range artillery) to hit any supply depots in range
Maybe someone can help me out here. My 88 yr old mother is 100% Ukrainian. I don’t really know much about my ancestry over there so I tried tapping her mind for some info. Now I’m more confused than ever.
Apparently my grandparents were from a group of folks known as Hutsuls. Primarily forest workers and shepherds. Did some Googling and the Hutsul territory is situated in the Carpathian Mountains which puts them close to Hungary and Romania. Checked map and I see not too far from Kiev, Kherson & Donetsk and Odessa I believe. Is all that area in Russian hands at the moment. Could my relatives be pro Russia? Mom and I have no idea, that’s how much we stay tuned to her ancestral home. Figure I might have lost one or two relatives since hostilities started.
YazataOct 15, 2022 04:25 AM (This post was last modified: Oct 15, 2022 04:27 AM by Yazata.)
(Oct 15, 2022 03:53 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Maybe someone can help me out here. My 88 yr old mother is 100% Ukrainian. I don’t really know much about my ancestry over there so I tried tapping her mind for some info. Now I’m more confused than ever.
Apparently my grandparents were from a group of folks known as Hutsuls. Primarily forest workers and shepherds. Did some Googling and the Hutsul territory is situated in the Carpathian Mountains which puts them close to Hungary and Romania. Checked map and I see not too far from Kiev, Kherson & Donetsk and Odessa I believe. Is all that area in Russian hands at the moment.
I never heard of Hutsuls and did some quick Googling too. They sound like traditional folkloric people in the central Ukrainian portion of the Carpathian mountains. That's about as far away from Russia as one can get and still be in Ukraine, in the far southwest corner of the country. Even when the Russians were attacking Kyiv, they were still hundreds of miles from the Carpathians.
I believe that there have been several air attacks on the larger towns in these oblasts, against Ukrainian military bases, airports and similar things. But no Russian ground troops or occupation.
They would have to answer that for themselves. But I strongly doubt it. Just from their Carpathian region their foreign influences might be more Romanian and Hungarian than Russian.
Quote:Mom and I have no idea, that’s how much we stay tuned to her ancestral home. Figure I might have lost one or two relatives since hostilities started.
Hard to say. The Hutsuls sound very traditional, but that might be more 19th century than today. Probably many of them have moved to the big cities like nearby Lviv or the capital of Kyiv in search of jobs or education. (Your ancestors went all the way to Canada.) But if some of your family stayed in the Carpathians, that's probably the best place in Ukraine to be in this kind of war.
Thanks Yaz. I definitely have relatives in that area but I never saw or heard from any. My grandmother’s maiden name was Batryn which apparently is one of the more common Ukrainian surnames. Hutsuls fly the Ukrainian flag so I’m thinking they’re not pro Russian. Looks like for a while that Hungary took over that region during post WWI. Sounds like an interesting area but I have no desire to check out my heritage, besides I also have Hutsul relatives in Manitoba that I’ve never met.
(Oct 15, 2022 04:37 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Thanks Yaz. I definitely have relatives in that area but I never saw or heard from any. My grandmother’s maiden name was Batryn which apparently is one of the more common Ukrainian surnames. Hutsuls fly the Ukrainian flag so I’m thinking they’re not pro Russian. Looks like for a while that Hungary took over that region during post WWI. Sounds like an interesting area but I have no desire to check out my heritage, besides I also have Hutsul relatives in Manitoba that I’ve never met.
There is more information on the wiki Hutsul talk page which dates back before Russias invasion that can give you some more insight.
You know, the fictional Dracula was set in the Romanian portion of the Carpathian mountains, perhaps in part because of all the old traditions and folklore that still survived there, giving it a mysterious reputation to outsiders.
If Russian soldiers penetrate that far, if might serve them right if they awaken Dracula and the vampires.
(Oct 15, 2022 05:04 AM)Yazata Wrote: You know, the fictional Dracula was set in the Romanian portion of the Carpathian mountains, perhaps in part because of all the old traditions and folklore that still survived there, giving it a mysterious reputation to outsiders.
If Russian soldiers penetrate that far, if might serve them right if they awaken Dracula and the vampires.
If they get that far then England will be at war thanks to King Charles "Vlad the Impailer" Ancestry.
(Oct 15, 2022 04:50 AM)stryder Wrote: There is more information on the wiki Hutsul talk page which dates back before Russias invasion that can give you some more insight.
Thanks Stryde. Just looking at what I wrote down when I was talking with my mother. It’s my grandmother that’s a full Hutsul. She had the common Hutsul surname Batryn. Grandfather was my grandmother’s second husband. He was from Odessa region and probably was her ticket out of Ukraine. My mom had a half brother from that first marriage. My mom born in Canada after family, including half brother, emigrated here. Perhaps because both grandparents died when I was very young is the reason our family never learned or cared for the customs, traditions and ancestral history of Ukraine.
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