Ghost Bigfoot and the green flash

"For researchers defending the existence of Bigfoot, a huge creature that’s hiding right in our own backyards, the lack of hard evidence is a big problem. Sure, we’ve got plenty of plaster casts, too many blurry photos and shaky videos to count, and we’ve even got loads of frightening audio recordings, but despite these and hundreds – if not thousands – of reported Sasquatch sightings each and every year, we still can’t find a body. Well, there is an answer to the biggest problem of Bigfoot, and it’s one that’s troubling for the Sasquatch believers who consist mainly of rugged outdoorsman and analytical scientists: Bigfoot is a ghost.

Those words are equivalent to heresy in Bigfoot investigation circles. In fact, as strange as it might seem, I’ve even lost friends for saying that Bigfoot is a ghost, with enraged squatchers convinced I’m making light of their weekends in the forest. I can assure you, though, that I’m dead serious. There is a stranger element to Sasquatch sightings, and for paranormal researchers, these anomalies tick a lot of familiar boxes. You see, the reason we can’t find flesh and blood evidence of Bigfoot is because he’s not a flesh and blood creature, at least not any longer...

The Bigfoot-ghost connection might seem like an offhand joke or a great Weekly World News headline, but to those of us who research both phenomena, the connection is obvious. Long swaths of Bigfoot tracks often stop in the middle of nowhere, almost as if the creature leaving them simply disappeared. Strange electronic malfunctions plague researchers during critical moments. Mysterious lights accompany Bigfoot sightings but are omitted from official reports. Photos of the creature are nearly always blurry, witnesses report temporary mental aberrations during encounters, and not a single fur, scat, or flesh sample has returned from the lab without pointing toward a mundane animal. Put simply, we’re looking at the Sasquatch phenomena in the wrong way..."
===http://weekinweird.com/2016/12/08/bigfoo...een-flash/

LOL. If there's no good evidence, it must be something that just doesn't leave good evidence. Doesn't this just weaken the argument for sasquatch by underscoring the flimsy evidence for ghosts?

(Dec 16, 2016 07:38 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: squatchers

Never saw that term before, very cool .

(Dec 16, 2016 07:38 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [...] Bigfoot is a ghost. Those words are equivalent to heresy in Bigfoot investigation circles. [...] to those of us who research both phenomena, the connection is obvious. Long swaths of Bigfoot tracks often stop in the middle of nowhere, almost as if the creature leaving them simply disappeared. Strange electronic malfunctions plague researchers during critical moments. Mysterious lights accompany Bigfoot sightings but are omitted from official reports. Photos of the creature are nearly always blurry, witnesses report temporary mental aberrations during encounters [...]

I assumed there was something about "tulpa" in the article itself, but "Find" turns up a negative result. Just an oddity in the link, I guess.

Assuming something akin to augmented reality here... How many people would have to be involved with inter-subjectively sharing the experience of a manifested thoughtform in order to elude classification as a mass hallucination -- to be judged as at least "semi-real" instead? Would it have to embrace everyone in the world, or just appear to a group of ten non-crank scientists accompanied by thirty camouflaged squatchers as equipment carrying grunts?

Would a thoughtform being induced, delivered, and distributed by technological telepathy count or must the origin remain inexplicable?

Standards for this new frontier need to be set by the bold, new breed of Bigfoot nonconformists.

A tulpa I suspect is assembled in reverse fashion from a physical being. The outcries, the footprints, the bangings, the smells, and the shadowy glimpses from behind trees converge synchronistically to suggest bodily presence, yet there is no body yet. They are collective unconscious projections of bemes that physical presence manifests thru. With enough emotional energy feeding it, like a poltergeist, the sensory events take form and coalesce into a sort of protointelligence. For a brief spell, bigfoot is made as real as you or me, a dynamic beme complex of pure intersubjective iterations of ascription. That explains the hunted egregore version of bigfoot. It doesn't the ones that just pop out of the blue and surprise lumberjacks and hikers though.

Beme is an idea I got from a web article once that I can't find anymore. It is basically the parts of a person or entity existing as events or qualities. Units of beingness. The smell of their body, the visage of them, the sound of their voice, a smile, a limp, dress styles, their interactions with the environment, their words and feelings and intentions, etc. All these temporal events circling and cohering as one self-identical being. We are made up of bemes, which imprint themselves somehow on the spacetime/matter matrix. We reflect back to ourselves from these bemes as a self objectively and subjectively present in the world. Physicality "becomes" and never already is apart from consciousness.

(Dec 20, 2016 07:20 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: A tulpa I suspect is assembled in reverse fashion from a physical being. The outcries, the footprints, the bangings, the smells, and the shadowy glimpses from behind trees converge synchronistically to suggest bodily presence, yet there is no body yet. They are collective unconscious projections of bemes that physical presence manifests thru. With enough emotional energy feeding it, like a poltergeist, the sensory events take form and coalesce into a sort of protointelligence. For a brief spell, bigfoot is made as real as you or me, a dynamic beme complex of pure intersubjective iterations of ascription. That explains the hunted egregore version of bigfoot. It doesn't the ones that just pop out of the blue and surprise lumberjacks and hikers though.

This might converge with the idea of experiences or phenomenal occurrences arising in association with environmental structures and relationships not associated with brain tissue (how partial mind or mind affairs might be multiply realized by differing substrates). That in turn having spun off from the consequences of functionalism and Chinese Nation scenarios.

If a system of pulleys and chains or a network of pumps and hydraulic valves which manipulate fluid could yield mental manifestations, then could chance dynamic connections across the natural world be occasionally conjuring haphazard, phantasmal events? Humans who blunder into constituting part of a such a functional configuration in a given environment would perhaps be contributing input from their memories and subconscious expectations. The problem again, though, would be identifying what specific physical mediums / properties would be available and involved in providing the necessary spatial linkages of a given situation that a "showing" phenomenon was superposing upon or arising amidst.

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Quote:If a system of pulleys and chains or a network of pumps and hydraulic valves which manipulate fluid could yield mental manifestations, then could chance dynamic connections across the natural world be occasionally conjuring haphazard, phantasmal events? Humans who blunder into constituting part of a such a functional configuration in a given environment would perhaps be contributing input from their memories and subconscious expectations. The problem again, though, would be identifying what specific physical mediums / properties would be available and involved in providing the necessary spatial linkages of a given situation that a "showing" phenomenon was superposing upon or arising amidst.

I've been pondering the possibilities of this supercharged thought all afternoon. How bout Penrose's microtubules, whose quantum vibrations have recently been demonstrated by science? Microtubules btw are also profuse in plant as well as animal cells, and especially in wood. Might this tissue provided the lamp for for the emergence of some protoconscious AI genie? Or what about carbon with it's special electrical properties? Carbon is a key component of limestone, associated among paranormal investigators with various paraphysical manifestations. What of the land itself, forming some sort of vast crystaline lattice of piezoelectrically conducted ion charges and discharges? Could bigfoot, ufos, and even ghosts be expressions of some undiscovered telluric sensorium? Whatever the medium might be, there's always fertile grounds for speculation in this many-tiered realm of emergent panpsychism.

(Dec 20, 2016 07:20 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Beme is an idea I got from a web article once that I can't find anymore. It is basically the parts of a person or entity existing as events or qualities. Units of beingness.

I do recollect you introducing a non-app meaning of "beme" before to either this subforum or another one. But a search of SciVillage didn't turn up anything but this thread. It took some special phrasing to finally garner it from the web. Apparently one of those scarce terms that calls for saving the webpages as archive files in case they disappear someday, just to demonstrate the concept was in circulation.

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(Dec 21, 2016 12:40 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: I've been pondering the possibilities of this supercharged thought all afternoon. How bout Penrose's microtubules, whose quantum vibrations have recently been demonstrated by science? Microtubules btw are also profuse in plant as well as animal cells, and especially in wood. Might this tissue provided the lamp for for the emergence of some protoconscious AI genie? Or what about carbon with it's special electrical properties? Carbon is a key component of limestone, associated among paranormal investigators with various paraphysical manifestations. What of the land itself, forming some sort of vast crystaline lattice of piezoelectrically conducted ion charges and discharges? Could bigfoot, ufos, and even ghosts be expressions of some undiscovered telluric sensorium? Whatever the medium might be, there's always fertile grounds for speculation in this many-tiered realm of emergent panpsychism.

Humans have their own methods and reasons for distinguishing an arrangement of ingredients as a "complex" (whether atom, living cell, solar system, forest, television set, etc). But one wonders if the same thresholds and demarcations apply for outside of our needs and understandings.

If the "objective" measure for hanging the many together as a phenomenal event or sequence of them is much looser than our criterion, or much looser for those ingredients in themselves, then there might be a variety of affairs qualifying as integrating relationships which we might not expect.

In the end, only that which was participating in or had been caught as a component in such a quirky system would really know the events occurring as the result of the unity. Granting that it had the capacity to know that the phantasma were being generated, as in the case of a brain that had blundered into the web of one of those short-lived or long-lived situations / configurations.

I was hoping the green flash was some kind of superhero. Bigfoot is inching closer to divine status. Pretty soon it'll be incomprehensible, existing on a different plane, ethereal, never seen and only believed in.