Why nobody wants to discuss UFOs.

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Magical Realist Online
“So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.”
― George Orwell, 1984

I was just pondering this last night in bed. How the almost heroic resistance some people put up to any information gained over the past few years about the presence of ufos in our skies is really a sort of cognitive dissonance--a need to live one's life as if nothing's changed while basically history-changing events are happening all around us. Nobody wants to upset the donkey cart of the 9-5, the latest political scandal, Taylor Swift's romances, the latest football games, or life at its most mundane and predictable everydayness. The absolute minimum of thought stimulation just to get thru their day. Here's an article all about this:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...the-aliens

---When new information threatens identity and meaning, the mind often responds by tuning out.

---Cognitive overload and uncertainty make large, unresolved ideas easy to ignore.

---Fear of stigma quietly discourages people from engaging with controversial topics.

"Something very significant has been happening in plain sight, and almost no one seems to be noticing.

Over the past few years, there have been televised congressional hearings, repeated news segments across major networks, and a recent release of a mind blowing documentary called The Age of Disclosure that brings much of this information together, featuring on-the-record disclosures and sworn testimony from dozens of current and former high-level U.S. government, military, and intelligence officials describing secret classified government programs tasked with investigating unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAPs).

These officials describe large numbers of sightings of unexplained aircraft, recovered crash materials they say are not consistent with known human technology, and the remains of non-human biologics. All of this points to the same unsettling idea: Mankind is not alone in the universe.

If this were any other topic with implications this big, it would dominate conversations. It would be debated at dinner tables, and dissected and argued about endlessly by pundits and influencers online.

Instead, people seem to be oddly quiet about it altogether.

For many people, even if they hear it, the information barely seems to register, while others just reject it or don’t engage at all. From a psychological standpoint, the collective lack of interest is almost more interesting than the claims themselves.

The question is, why is what is possibly mankind’s greatest discovery barely on most people’s radar?

When New Information Conflicts With Identity

Human beings don’t encounter information in a neutral way. We give it personal meaning as we absorb it through an existing cognitive lens made up of our self-identity and worldview.

Ideas that challenge basic foundational assumptions, such as the uniqueness of mankind, the limits of technology, or the transparency of institutions, aren’t simply new facts. They destabilize the mental frameworks that help people feel oriented and safe.

This creates what is referred to as cognitive dissonance, the uncomfortable psychological tension that arises when new information conflicts with deeply held beliefs. When dissonance becomes too intense, the mind often resolves it not by updating old beliefs but by disengaging from the information altogether.

Ignoring the topic, in this regard, is a way people regulate their emotions.

The Brain Has Limited Bandwidth

Another contributing factor that is easier to understand: cognitive overload.

We are living in a constant state of mental saturation—political conflict, climate anxiety, rapid technological change, worries over the cost of living. Our brains are already working overtime to process threats, complex scenarios, and novel circumstances.

When new, emotionally charged information feels abstract and lacks clear instructions for action, it often gets deprioritized. From a neurological standpoint, the brain is biased toward what feels immediately relevant and solvable.

Existential questions, especially ones without obvious personal consequences, are easy to postpone indefinitely.

The Power of Social Stigma

Another force at play is stigma.

For decades, curiosity about UFOs or non-human intelligence was considered culturally as unserious or fringe. Even as the conversation has shifted into formal government settings, those associations still linger.

Many people may privately feel curious while simultaneously thinking, I don’t want to sound foolish, gullible, or extreme.

Psychologists refer to this as normative social influence—the tendency to align beliefs and behaviors with what feels socially acceptable. Normative social influence was well demonstrated in Solomon Asch’s famous line experiments, where people intentionally gave wrong answers to fit in.

Until the idea of non-human intelligence and spacecraft becomes more widely discussed, silence is a way to protect one’s reputation and social belonging, regardless of what people believe privately.

Ambiguity Creates Anxiety

There’s also the problem of uncertainty.

The information being disclosed doesn’t come with neat conclusions. It raises profound questions without resolving them. For many, ambiguity can be very uncomfortable.

The mind prefers coherent narratives, even flawed ones, over unresolved complexity. When answers are incomplete, people often default to avoidance rather than sustained engagement.

In other words, it’s not just what is being suggested that’s hard to face. It’s the lack of closure about what to do with it.

The Existential Weight Beneath the Surface

Finally, there is the emotional gravity of the idea itself.

If humanity is not alone, it challenges long-held assumptions about our meaning, what control and power we have, and our identity as the dominant species. These questions touch religion, mortality, and humanity’s place in the universe.

For many people, that level of existential disruption is simply too much to integrate all at once. Avoidance can be a form of self-protection.

Silence Doesn’t Mean Apathy

What looks like indifference may actually reflect a complex psychological response:

Cognitive dissonance
Cognitive overload
Fear of social stigma
Intolerance of ambiguity
Existential self-protection

History suggests that paradigm-shifting ideas are rarely absorbed in real time. They are resisted, minimized, and slowly normalized only after the psyche has had time to adapt.

Whether current disclosures ultimately withstand scrutiny or not, the public’s muted response reveals something about human nature:

We often resist new ideas, not because we don’t understand them, but because change can be emotionally difficult."
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(Dec 19, 2025 07:08 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: “So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.”
― George Orwell, 1984

I was just pondering this last night in bed. How the almost heroic resistance some people put up to any information gained over the past few years about the presence of ufos in our skies is really a sort of cognitive dissonance--a need to live one's life as if nothing's changed while basically history-changing events are happening all around us. Nobody wants to upset the donkey cart of the 9-5, the latest political scandal, Taylor Swift's romances, the latest football games, or life at its most mundane and predictable everydayness. The absolute minimum of thought stimulation just to get thru their day. Here's an article all about this:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...the-aliens[...]

Though there are a few individual exceptions to any group category, it's actually the "amateur" folk intellectuals and researchers that are self-taught, and the formally educated who despite that still retain strong ties to their proletariat family backgrounds, that largely seem to advance paranormal culture. Whereas the mainstream academic establishment (the elite epistemic social class) skeptically rejects it, along with that segment of society which adheres rigidly to instruction from the expert hierarchy. Albeit, again, there can be an occasional rebellious "messiah" among the sci-tech and humanities nobles who sermonically rides an ass among the commoners, to preach otherworldly revelation.

Although paranormal culture surely isn't a major component of why the establishment has come to politically reject and rebuke the straying hoi polloi in recent times (the very reverse situation of literary intellectuals once touting themselves as their champions decades prior), I suppose it has perhaps contributed to some light extent. As exemplified by those occasions when the Lord Protectors of the critical thinking circle particularly revel in the sport of mocking sightings, abductions, etc submitted by the trailer trash community.
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Yazata Offline
(Dec 19, 2025 07:08 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: Why nobody wants to discuss UFOs.

I want to discuss UFOs!

But yeah, I get your point. There was what we observed over in "the other place", where any suggestion that an interesting, and potentially important, unexplained phenomenon might be occurring, was met by sarcasm, ridicule and insult. I don't think that it was a peculiarity of the 'other place' either, it seems to me to be the general social reaction.

Quote:I was just pondering this last night in bed. How the almost heroic resistance some people put up to any information gained over the past few years about the presence of ufos in our skies is really a sort of cognitive dissonance--a need to live one's life as if nothing's changed while basically history-changing events are happening all around us. Nobody wants to upset the donkey cart of the 9-5, the latest political scandal, Taylor Swift's romances, the latest football games, or life at its most mundane and predictable everydayness. The absolute minimum of thought stimulation just to get thru their day.

I don't think that it's a preference for the stereotypically proletarian 'football games/Taylor Swift' mundane either. Those whose minds seem so tightly closed have a much more exalted view of themselves than that! In Marxist terms, they are 'the Vanguard Party', the intellectually superior Believers in Science!

They like to think of themselves as the arbiters of epistemology, the ones with the superior ability to distinguish truth from falsity.

So whenever something comes at them from out of left field, whenever something that finds no place in their comfortable worldview pokes up its ugly little head, they reflexively deny it. They are the arbiters of reality after all, so if something doesn't fit into their mental model of reality, then by definition it can't exist!

Quote:Here's an article all about this:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...the-aliens

---When new information threatens identity and meaning, the mind often responds by tuning out.

Being forced by events into acknowledging something that they didn't already accept, challenges the carefully curated self-image of themselves as final (Science justified!) judges of reality.

Quote:---Fear of stigma quietly discourages people from engaging with controversial topics.

Just look at what happened to you in "the other place".

For academic professionals, heresy is a direct road to professional suicide. Consider Avi Loeb. I don't think that he cares very much any more, he thinks the subject of UFOs is important so he'll continue talking and writing about it. He's an extremely big name, former chairman of the Harvard university Astronomy department, so he has a lot of clout that will take a while to dissipate before he's finally dismissed as a crank. But younger less prominent professors don't have Loeb's freedom to defy convention.

In Galileo's day, the Inquisition came knocking. Today it's more subtle, but just as real. And perhaps more effective.

Quote:These officials describe large numbers of sightings of unexplained aircraft, recovered crash materials they say are not consistent with known human technology, and the remains of non-human biologics. All of this points to the same unsettling idea: Mankind is not alone in the universe.

I remain extremely doubtful about a lot of that. But some of the sighting reports are so good that it's difficult to dismiss them (unless one's mind was already closed).

Quote:If this were any other topic with implications this big, it would dominate conversations. It would be debated at dinner tables, and dissected and argued about endlessly by pundits and influencers online.

Instead, people seem to be oddly quiet about it altogether.

Yes, that's true.

Quote:For many people, even if they hear it, the information barely seems to register, while others just reject it or don’t engage at all. From a psychological standpoint, the collective lack of interest is almost more interesting than the claims themselves.

While UFOs (arguably) might not exist as a physical science phenomenon, they most assuredly do as a psychological and social science phenomenon.
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stryder Offline
The US was the main source of UFO sightings starting of course with Orson Welles radio adaption of H.G.Wells "War of the Worlds" which lead to hysteria.

Later this was buffed with "Roswell".

I've stated previously that it was more than likely the recovery of one of the first spy satellite prototypes created by the RAND Project (prior to become RAND Corporation) either attached to a high altitude balloon (Similar to the spy one that was shot down) or using a retrofitted V2 rocket.

Also during WWII the Germans developed a radio signal controlled glide rocket that they used to some extent. Reverse engineering would likely have taken place which would of led to radio controlled drones for years. The main difference over the years has been changes from Tubes to Transistors, to Micro-technologies. That has allowed the control systems to be less in size, less in weight and even at the the point where it can be developed to "think for itself".

It wouldn't be too much to suggest that various types of drone craft could of been made to "Smuggle" (be it criminals or foreign espionage agents) by 'ghosting" legitimate craft (Thus pilots seeing strange craft from their cockpits) so as to hide their diffusion pattern from radar.

Further in recent years we've had increasing attempts from private corporations to generate flying cars, taxis and drone systems for deliveries.. all of which likely have an element of secrecy surrounding their development. (along with Billionaire playboys and their toys, and the odd eccentric trying to prove the planets flat)

All in all it doesn't leave much without a rational explanation.
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Syne Offline
Or... some people are easily swayed, due to wishful thinking, etc., and others simply to not believe things that are neither personally experienced nor adequately and objectively evidenced... though perfectly willing to reexamine anything offered.

I would certainly agree that UFOs exist as a psychological/social phenomena, and in that context, it is an interesting subject. The information both registers and engages, but all too often, the true believers don't really want to engage. They will proclaim whatever they have as "proof" without anything compelling enough to qualify, hence the quasi-religious "true believer." They will often ignore and ridicule feasible alternative explanations, without any significant argument to preclude them in favor of the more extraordinary. Then, when they are out of options, they will use kettle logic/gish gallop of many different "sightings," with widely varied circumstances, to both avoid the example in question and somehow lend credence with more, equally uncompelling cases.

And then, as a final defense, they will resort to personal attacks, about a nonbeliever's fear of change, delicate world view, etc.. They drive away what interest and engagement they do get, if that engagement threatens their own beliefs. While the run-of-the-mill skeptic isn't phased in the slightest.

Studies of people who report seeing unidentified flying objects or unidentified aerial phenomena (1) show (thankfully for me) that very few such individuals exhibit psychopathology or are simply trying to grab attention or sell their stories for financial gain. Rather, researchers concluded that the vast majority of those who report seeing extraordinary aerial phenomena truly believe what they saw was real and that, in fact, what they saw was not a hallucination.

Quirks of perceptual psychology can explain some of the reporting. In my case, for instance, my brain assumed that the pinpoint of light I was seeing was at least a few hundred miles away so that a rapid lateral movement of two degrees of visual angle seemed like an astonishingly large excursion (about 7 miles) in a very short time. But the “satellite” could have been running light on a drone, flying much, much closer to me (hundreds of feet instead of hundreds of miles), in which case, the abrupt right-angle turn that I witnessed, although impressive, did not require otherworldly technology.
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One psychological correlate, according to Gow et al. in their article Fantasy Proneness and Other Psychological Correlates of UFO Experience (1), is a tendency of reporters to have a richer fantasy life than those who do not report UFOs. This doesn’t mean, according to the study’s authors, that UFO reporters make up their encounters, only that such individuals often had more vivid and frequent fantasies than the general population.
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- https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...-reporting


Persons with a fantasy-prone personality spend a significant portion of their lives involved in fantasy and may confuse or mix their fantasies with their real life.[12] Though they are otherwise healthy, normally functioning adults, they simultaneously experience complex fantasy lives.[13] This has been sometimes referred to as having an "overactive imagination".[12]

In reference to UFO experiences, medical sociologist Robert Bartholomew has written that there is a segment of the population who are "prone to experiencing exceptionally vivid and involved fantasies," and that, "such people often have difficulty distinguishing between fantasy and reality".[14] Writing in The Conversation, science journalist Eric Smalley has hypothesized that "starseeds" may be experiencing the Barnum effect and that "several books published by big publishing houses may provide a sense of authenticity" to the belief of the "starseeds".
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychologi...UFO_claims


So people can either choose to debate the known facts and actual evidence in good faith, or we can keep making personal attacks... the true believer defending their beliefs and the skeptics tired of their bullshit.
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Magical Realist Online
Quote:Studies of people who report seeing unidentified flying objects or unidentified aerial phenomena (1) show (thankfully for me) that very few such individuals exhibit psychopathology or are simply trying to grab attention or sell their stories for financial gain. Rather, researchers concluded that the vast majority of those who report seeing extraordinary aerial phenomena truly believe what they saw was real and that, in fact, what they saw was not a hallucination.

IOW, that they really did see an object. Which jibes with the endless accounts involving multiple eyewitnesses as well as detection by radars and video cameras. It's hard to dismiss them as fantasies of imaginative fools when they are turning up in such technologically-advanced sensory modes. The famous encounters by Navy pilots of the tic tac-shaped uap as well as the everyday aerial encounter for months of other "cube in a sphere" uaps, one of which almost collided with a jet, are compelling recent examples.

It's landmark cases such as these, as well as the hundreds of other uap cases based on classified videos still in the Navy's possession, that cement uaps as an undeniable phenomenon that has been going for over 80 years. Add to that the thousands of reports of other nations' militaries all over the world and you understand why this is becoming one of the most pressing issues for our time. Despite the most valiant efforts of the skeptic "vanguard", maybe people are beginning to realize the full extent of a decades long govt cover-up and the jolting "ontological shock" that we really are not alone.
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Syne Offline
Few people doubt that real objects are seen. But those with an "overactive imagination" tend to overestimate how compelling things are... often to the level of religious ferver.
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Magical Realist Online
Quote:Syne said: But those with an "overactive imagination" tend to overestimate how compelling things are... often to the level of religious ferver.

There's nothing over-imaginative or fervently religious about someone who never even thinks about UFOs but who suddenly sees a strange object that moves in ways that defies explanation as any known conventional craft or natural phenomenon. Such details are noted again and again in reports across the board, enabling the following characteristics of uaps to be concluded:

"Here are the five key UAP characteristics:

Sudden & Instantaneous Acceleration: Objects exhibit rapid, abrupt changes in velocity and direction, often far exceeding the G-force limits of known aircraft or human pilots, like the reported 5,000+ Gs in the Nimitz encounter.

Hypersonic Velocity without Signatures: Traveling at extremely high speeds (supersonic/hypersonic) without producing typical tell-tale signs like sonic booms, vapor trails, or excessive heat.

Low Observability (Cloaking): The ability to remain hidden or difficult to detect with advanced sensors (radar, electro-optical) and the naked eye, often appearing as a glow or haze.

Trans-Medium Travel: Seamless movement between different environments (air, space, underwater/ocean) with no apparent performance degradation.

Positive Lift/Inertialess Motion: Hovering motionless or defying gravity without visible means of lift or propulsion, as if inertia or atmospheric resistance is irrelevant.

These "five observables" form the basis for scientific study into UAPs, highlighting anomalies that suggest technologies beyond current human capability."--Google AI

Quote: Stryder said: The US was the main source of UFO sightings starting of course with Orson Welles radio adaption of H.G.Wells "War of the Worlds" which lead to hysteria.

UFO sightings did not begin with the Orson Welles radio broadcast of 1938. They started with the report of private pilot Kenneth Arnold flying over Washington State in 1947. A real and compelling sighting, and not a bogus hysterical panic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01sVLTO8xmo&t=143s

Isn't it curious that the skeptics of uaps are always the ones who have never studied the actual reports and know the least about the history of their sightings? Now why would that be?
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Syne Offline
One time, I was on a beach with some friends at night. Without hearing anything and without any warning, suddenly there was a bright light shining down on us. It wasn't "cloaked," hadn't come upon us at "hypersonic velocity," and didn't come out of the water. We couldn't see its "means of lift or propulsion."


But it was just a police helicopter.
9_9
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Magical Realist Online
Quote:It wasn't "cloaked," hadn't come upon us at "hypersonic velocity," and didn't come out of the water. We couldn't see its "means of lift or propulsion."

Exactly..Didn't meet any of the criteria for being a UAP did it? And then there is the overwhelming noise of it. Typically uaps are totally silent.
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