Men are just as emotional as women + Can lucid dreaming help us understand conscio...

(Nov 18, 2021 05:06 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 18, 2021 03:01 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Nov 18, 2021 04:51 AM)Syne Wrote: Aw, SS did her usual. Come in with her usual misandry, can't justify her own claims, ignore what you say and go find an earlier post to reply to instead, get snarky, deflect, and give up.

You said we were parasites and used terms associated with the incel community.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Since you couldn't be bothered to justify your claim that women "have security now," and presuming you didn't mean through stable marriages, that's literally the only other conclusion, aside from them giving up the idea of having children at all in favor of a career (which has proven to lead to unhappiness).

And also as usual, you just use a guilt by association (literally "associated with") or genetic fallacy to dismiss what you obviously can't refute or even make a pretense at arguing. And you wanted men to treat you as an equal friend. 9_9

All misandrists try malign men with "incel" and the like. You're so predictable.

Use of Chad is associated with the incel community and the website 4chan to refer stereotypical alpha males.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/chad/

(Nov 18, 2021 05:25 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Nov 18, 2021 05:06 PM)Syne Wrote: Since you couldn't be bothered to justify your claim that women "have security now," and presuming you didn't mean through stable marriages, that's literally the only other conclusion, aside from them giving up the idea of having children at all in favor of a career (which has proven to lead to unhappiness).

And also as usual, you just use a guilt by association (literally "associated with") or genetic fallacy to dismiss what you obviously can't refute or even make a pretense at arguing. And you wanted men to treat you as an equal friend. 9_9

All misandrists try malign men with "incel" and the like. You're so predictable.

Use of Chad is associated with the incel community and the website 4chan to refer stereotypical alpha males.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/chad/

And? The fact that you know that means it is a useful shorthand for alpha male. Just like Karen is shorthand for a bitchy busybody. Since I think alpha males are a good thing, I'm obviously not using it as a derogative, which is what incels do to blame all their problems on others. And you know all this, but you're so butt-hurt about something, you still have to lash out...irrationally.

So which is it? Couldn't lock down an alpha male or hubby cheated?

(Nov 18, 2021 05:37 PM)Syne Wrote:

(Nov 18, 2021 05:25 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Nov 18, 2021 05:06 PM)Syne Wrote: Since you couldn't be bothered to justify your claim that women "have security now," and presuming you didn't mean through stable marriages, that's literally the only other conclusion, aside from them giving up the idea of having children at all in favor of a career (which has proven to lead to unhappiness).

And also as usual, you just use a guilt by association (literally "associated with") or genetic fallacy to dismiss what you obviously can't refute or even make a pretense at arguing. And you wanted men to treat you as an equal friend. 9_9

All misandrists try malign men with "incel" and the like. You're so predictable.

Use of Chad is associated with the incel community and the website 4chan to refer stereotypical alpha males.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/chad/

And? The fact that you know that means it is a useful shorthand for alpha male. Just like Karen is shorthand for a bitchy busybody. Since I think alpha males are a good thing, I'm obviously not using it as a derogative, which is what incels do to blame all their problems on others. And you know all this, but you're so butt-hurt about something, you still have to lash out...irrationally.

So which is it? Couldn't lock down an alpha male or hubby cheated?

The image is associated with the MGTOW community. So, go on with your bad self and speak only to the men here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

SS Wrote:..go on with your bad self and speak only to the men here.

I've had him on 'Ignore' for some time now. You can still read his posts by clicking on 'Show' but it is a reminder that what follows is unlikely to be a normal or fruitful exchange.

(Nov 18, 2021 05:46 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Nov 18, 2021 05:37 PM)Syne Wrote: And? The fact that you know that means it is a useful shorthand for alpha male. Just like Karen is shorthand for a bitchy busybody. Since I think alpha males are a good thing, I'm obviously not using it as a derogative, which is what incels do to blame all their problems on others. And you know all this, but you're so butt-hurt about something, you still have to lash out...irrationally.

So which is it? Couldn't lock down an alpha male or hubby cheated?

The image is associated with the MGTOW community. So, go on with your bad self and speak only to the men here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Going_Their_Own_Way

So you're just going to double-down on your association/genetic fallacy instead of even attempting to engage in anything vaguely approaching an actual conversation. Typical of people, like leftists, who can't deal with reality.

Personally, I don't care for MGTOW. They seem too much like atheists. If you're going to go your own way, quit coming back to whine about it.

(Nov 18, 2021 06:37 PM)confused2 Wrote: I've had him on 'Ignore' for some time now. You can still read his posts by clicking on 'Show' but it is a reminder that what follows is unlikely to be a normal or fruitful exchange.

Then it's been mutual. I know for sure I'm not going to read anything useful, insightful, or even just not boring from you.

I wonder if it's mainly a social construct that men tend to feel ''weak'' if they express emotions, like sadness, or dare to appear vulnerable. But, there's something about a strong man who shows me that side once in a while, that is endearing. Anger is empowering for men, but it's looked at in a negative way for women, that is true. Unfortunately, a lot of women mistake anger in men towards them as masculinity. Men who abuse women for example, sleep with tons of women and discard them, etc is seen by many women as sexy and ''tough.'' There's a whole host of reasons behind that mindset that I don't feel like going into, but it's a mindset that is prevalent in our culture.

The sad truth is if we're being honest, many women say they'd like vulnerable men who share their emotions, but when it actually happens, they get turned off by it.

So, what is driving that ''reaction,'' biology or society's pressures and constructions?

A man who is unfaithful and promiscuous and largely sex-driven has a better chance of spreading his genes and ensuring his progeny. It's sad but true that this type is most favored by natural selection, and women's preference for this type came to evolve along with it. Hence the "falling in love with assholes" propensity.

I don't doubt that. ^

But, many women have issues that stem from their fathers, if their fathers were of the abusive, emotionally distant variety. That lends itself to making very poor choices when dating, and developing relationships with men. They tend to be attracted to what they're most familiar with from their childhoods, and if you were raised by a jerk, then you'll likely gravitate to a jerk for a partner. You'd think it'd be the opposite, but it's frequently not.

(Nov 18, 2021 10:53 PM)Leigha Wrote: I don't doubt that. ^

But, many women have issues that stem from their fathers, if their fathers were of the abusive, emotionally distant variety. That lends itself to making very poor choices when dating, and developing relationships with men. They tend to be attracted to what they're most familiar with from their childhoods, and if you were raised by a jerk, then you'll likely gravitate to a jerk for a partner. You'd think it'd be the opposite, but it's frequently not.

I would guess that's because they grew used to the only love they knew, which wasn't love really but bullying and controlling and abusing. All the rationales and justifications they grew up developing for their abuser are already in place. So they seek out those most like their father because it feels most familiar and loving to them. For them part of being in love is being the ever-forgiving martyr who will always support their lover no matter how they are treated.

Quote: Part of being in love is being the ever-forgiving martyr who will always support their lover no matter how they are treated.

And 'lucky love' is where neither you nor your lover would even dream of using that power to their advantage or your disadvantage. As Zadok the Priest (looping) blasts in the headphones - I think (hope) I'm one of the lucky lovers.