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Men are just as emotional as women + Can lucid dreaming help us understand conscio...

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Men are just as emotional as women, study suggests
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonescal...790b532e96

INTRO: It is not a compliment to call someone “emotional.” We incorrectly see emotion as the opposite of the “rational” or “effective,” even though neuroscientists have long known that emotion is what drives intelligent thought.

Now scientists have just revealed another area where we get emotion completely wrong. Despite centuries of stereotypes, a new study finds that men are just as emotional as women. Men have the same ups and downs, highs and lows as women do. And that is good news for all of us.

Why are we all so sure that women are more emotional than men? There are two main reasons... (MORE)


Can lucid dreaming help us understand consciousness?
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021...sciousness

EXCERPT: . . . This interest in lucid dreaming has been growing in fits and starts for more than a century. Despite his fascination with the interaction between the conscious and subconscious minds, Sigmund Freud barely mentioned lucid dreams in his writings. Instead, it was an English aristocrat and writer, Mary Arnold-Forster, who provided one of the earliest and most detailed descriptions in the English language in her book Studies in Dreams.

Published in 1921, the book offered countless colourful escapades in the dreamscape, including charming descriptions of her attempts to fly. “A slight paddling motion by my hands increases the pace of the flight and is used either to enable me to reach a greater height, or else for the purpose of steering, especially through any narrow place, such as through a doorway or window,” she wrote.

Based on her experiences, Arnold-Forster proposed that humans have a “dual consciousness”. One of these, the “primary self”, allows us to analyse our circumstances and to apply logic to what we are experiencing – but it is typically inactive during sleep, leaving us with a dream consciousness that cannot reflect on its own state. In lucid dreams, however, the primary self “wakes up”, bringing with it “memories, knowledge of facts, and trains of reasoning”, as well as the awareness that one is asleep.

She may have been on to something. Neuroscientists and psychologists today may balk at the term “dual consciousness”, but most would agree that lucid dreams involve an increased self-awareness and reflection, a greater sense of agency and volition, and an ability to think about the more distant past and future. These together mark a substantially different mental experience from the typically passive state of non-lucid dreams.

“There’s a grouping of higher-level features, which seem to be very closely associated with what we think of as human consciousness, which come back in that shift from a non-lucid to a lucid dream,” says Dr Benjamin Baird, a research scientist at the Center for Sleep and Consciousness at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. “And there’s something to be learned in looking at that contrast.”

You may wonder why we can’t just scan the brains of fully awake subjects to identify the neural processes underlying this sophisticated mental state. But waking consciousness also involves many other phenomena, including sensory inputs from the outside world, that can make it hard to separate the different elements of the experience. When a sleeper enters a lucid dream, nothing has changed apart from the person’s conscious state. As a result, studies of lucid dreams may provide an important point of comparison that could help to isolate the specific regions involved in heightened self-awareness and agency.

Unfortunately, it has been very hard to get someone to lucid dream inside the noisy and constrained environment of an fMRI scanner. Nevertheless, a case study published in 2012 confirmed that it can be done. The participant, a frequent lucid dreamer, was asked to shift his gaze from left to right whenever he “awoke” in his dream – a dream motion that is also known to translate to real eye movements. This allowed the researchers to identify the moment at which he had achieved lucidity.

The brain scans revealed heightened activity in a group of regions, including the anterior prefrontal cortex, that are together known as the frontoparietal network. These areas are markedly less active during normal REM sleep, but they became much busier whenever the participant entered his lucid dream – suggesting that they are somehow involved in the heightened reflection and self-awareness that characterise the state.

Several other strands of research all point in the same direction. Working with the famed consciousness researcher Giulio Tononi, Baird has recently examined the overall brain connectivity of people who experience more than three lucid dreams a week. In line with the findings of the case study, he found evidence of greater communication between the regions in the frontoparietal network – a difference that may have made it easier to gain the heightened self-awareness during sleep.

Further evidence comes from the alkaloid galantamine, which can be used to induce lucid dreams. In a recent study, Baird and colleagues asked people to sleep for a few hours before waking. The participants then took a small dose of the drug, or a placebo, before practising a few visualisation exercises that are also thought to modestly increase the chances of lucid dreaming. After about half an hour, they went back to sleep.

The results were striking. Just 14% of those taking a placebo managed to gain awareness of their dream state, compared with 27% taking a 4mg dose of galantamine, and 42% taking an 8mg dose. “The effect is humongous,” says Baird... (MORE - missing details)
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Sure, studies done on men after decades of feminization and demonizing masculine traits, through school, culture, single-motherhood, etc..

And contrary to this articles ignorance, there are rational and irrational emotions. Emotional variability is healthy, so long as it is a rational reaction to immediate stimuli. Not an overreaction and not an emotional reaction to long-past or imagined stimuli. Equating rational and irrational emotional variability defeats the whole argument of equating the emotions of men and women. Hence equating some emotions as irrational and others as passionate.

They try to cite men being more emotional over breakups, but evolution has made relationships primarily mean children for men (with its correspondence to familial love) and security for women (with its need for pragmatism). But again, a rational response to an actual, current loss.
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And then there's age, as a man's testosterone starts to wane.
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(Nov 16, 2021 03:53 AM)Syne Wrote: Sure, studies done on men after decades of feminization and demonizing masculine traits, through school, culture, single-motherhood, etc..

Like anger?
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(Nov 16, 2021 03:47 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 16, 2021 03:53 AM)Syne Wrote: Sure, studies done on men after decades of feminization and demonizing masculine traits, through school, culture, single-motherhood, etc..

Like anger?

Is that the feminization or a demonized masculine trait?

Research has consistently found that women experience anger as frequently and as intensely as men.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle...ersonality

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(Nov 16, 2021 04:29 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Nov 16, 2021 03:47 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 16, 2021 03:53 AM)Syne Wrote: Sure, studies done on men after decades of feminization and demonizing masculine traits, through school, culture, single-motherhood, etc..

Like anger?

Is that the feminization or a demonized masculine trait?

Research has consistently found that women experience anger as frequently and as intensely as men.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle...ersonality


An outward expression of anger has always been socially unacceptable for women, but men...not so much, and anger is an intense emotion.
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(Nov 16, 2021 05:08 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 16, 2021 04:29 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Nov 16, 2021 03:47 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Like anger?

Is that the feminization or a demonized masculine trait?

Research has consistently found that women experience anger as frequently and as intensely as men.
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle...ersonality


An outward expression of anger has always been socially unacceptable for women, but men...not so much, and anger is an intense emotion.
And? I presume you're eventually going to get around to making some kind of point here. What, I have no idea.

You can see my earlier post about emotional variability being irrelevant if you fail to account for the difference between rational and irrational emotion.
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(Nov 16, 2021 05:28 PM)Syne Wrote: You can see my earlier post about emotional variability being irrelevant if you fail to account for the difference between rational and irrational emotion.

From the article:

"But a woman whose emotions change due to any event, even if provoked, is considered "irrational."

An angry woman is perceived as less competent, irrational, crazy, and unlikeable. Hence, the KAREN.

Men, on the other hand, are perceived as strong protectors. It may be necessary for survival in some situations, but it can make you stupid.

"Even great injustice is no excuse for childish and undisciplined behavior. For not only is anger bad because of its consequences—alienating political opponents, breeding revenge and violence, inhibiting progress—it is also a bad thing in itself, an immoral and incoherent way of responding to the world."

Would Politics Be Better Off Without Anger?
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Quote:Further evidence comes from the alkaloid galantamine, which can be used to induce lucid dreams.

I take a medication called Olanzapine that is known to induce strange dreams. My dreams since taking it are the most spectacular and enjoyable ones I've ever had. The plots are as intricate and involved as movies, with many surrealistic twists scattered here and there. Sometimes I have as many as 3 distinct dreams a night. I predict a time when dreaming drugs will be sold on the open market.
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Syne Offline
(Nov 16, 2021 06:57 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Nov 16, 2021 05:28 PM)Syne Wrote: You can see my earlier post about emotional variability being irrelevant if you fail to account for the difference between rational and irrational emotion.

From the article:

"But a woman whose emotions change due to any event, even if provoked, is considered "irrational."

An angry woman is perceived as less competent, irrational, crazy, and unlikeable. Hence, the KAREN.

Men, on the other hand, are perceived as strong protectors. It may be necessary for survival in some situations, but it can make you stupid.

"Even great injustice is no excuse for childish and undisciplined behavior. For not only is anger bad because of its consequences—alienating political opponents, breeding revenge and violence, inhibiting progress—it is also a bad thing in itself, an immoral and incoherent way of responding to the world."

Would Politics Be Better Off Without Anger?

Notice how they play this game, where they cite a specific instance for men (chosen to have no irrational connotation, from either sex) and then make a very broad generality for women. A "sporting event" versus "any event." They don't give us a specific example of a woman being emotional because that would either justify calling it "irrational" or negate their hypothesis, by not all women's emotions being considered irrational. It's just duping people by appealing to their biases to overwhelm simple reasoning skills.

You continue that trend of generality, even though the perception of a man's or woman's anger depends on the circumstances. Being a busybody scolding strangers for what they should or should not be doing is being a Karen, whether a man or a woman. No one accepts that behavior any more from a man. If a woman expresses anger because her child is being harmed, like parents opposing CRT and sexually explicit books in elementary schools, it is completely rational and accepted. Again, you'd have to have specific examples to make any point at all.

Ah, your usual sexist misandry about men being stupid. That's really what all this is about, isn't it? You just venting your spleen.

Go tell the leftist rioters and looters about childish responses to perceived injustice (and the politicians who made excuses for them). But if you're claiming all anger is bad, that would make a woman's more irrational, because women are less physically able to withstand the possible violent repercussions of their anger (hence why women are usually passive-aggressive).
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