Millennials' declining health could sicken U.S. economy (Gen-Y trends)

(Nov 11, 2019 02:33 AM)Syne Wrote: Again with the defensiveness. Meh.

I’m not being defensive. Like I said before, you have to be your own worst critic.

(Nov 10, 2019 09:41 PM)Syne Wrote: And there's a significant difference between a generation seeking more healthcare and potentially hurting the economy and a generation committing suicide because of the economy but not, itself, harming the economy.

Can you think of any economic impacts that suicide might have on our economy outside of the health system?

(Nov 11, 2019 02:40 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Nov 10, 2019 09:41 PM)Syne Wrote: And there's a significant difference between a generation seeking more healthcare and potentially hurting the economy and a generation committing suicide because of the economy but not, itself, harming the economy.

Can you think of any economic impacts that suicide might have on our economy outside of the health system?

Economy wide? For a generation exiting the workforce? Not really.

(Nov 12, 2019 12:15 AM)Syne Wrote: Economy wide? For a generation exiting the workforce? Not really.

They’re not a burden...that, too, is a stereotype. They’re healthy and living longer.

"Collectively, they are very active in the workplace— staying employed for longer, earning wages, spending more money, generating tax revenue, and producing economic value for an extended period of time. They are also critical in driving entrepreneurship and investment, and as enthusiastic consumers of leisure activities."

The Longevity Economy

A "spike in suicide rates" is relative to previous rates, which isn't always saying much. But who said they were a burden?
The point was that taxing the healthcare industry is likely worse than simply checking out.

(Nov 12, 2019 03:11 AM)Syne Wrote: The point was that taxing the healthcare industry is likely worse than simply checking out.

It’s not, though. Think about the millennials and the indirect costs of premature deaths.

I think I mentioned it before, but my grandparents had to abandoned their farm in Texas during the dust bowl. Their stories are written in several history books on migrant workers and the dust bowl migration. My grandfather talked about how the growers took advantage of the migrant workers by putting lead in the weights on the old beam scales. They had to work on their parent’s farm when they were growing up. They couldn't afford to stay in school. They worked hard and barely survived but they realized how important it was to invest in their children’s education.

That’s human capital, Syne, and investing in workers is no different than investing in equipment. Educational and health investments enhance productivity. "Potentiality," isn’t that one of your favorite terms?

Those "snowpacks" are America’s future resources.

Responsible parents working hard to care for and put their children through college is very different from demanding all taxpayers do so. To make your point, you'd have to show that the increase in the boomer suicide rate is a significant increase AND occurring before their children are beyond college age AND that they had any intention of paying for college to begin with. And even then, you seem to be arguing that, what, their taxes would cover not only the added cost of millennials to the healthcare industry as well as education. Private businesses invest, because they have a profit motive, which the public sector does not. So your analogy is flawed. Don't like it. Quit voting for people who work to destroy family values in favor of simply stealing from others.

(Nov 13, 2019 12:05 AM)Syne Wrote: Responsible parents working hard to care for and put their children through college is very different from demanding all taxpayers do so.

Where did I, or the origianl article say anything about demanding anything from taxpayers?  The study is predicting that it could result in rising health care costs putting a greater financial load on employers and employees, as well as the federal and state governments.

Syne Wrote:To make your point, you'd have to show that the increase in the boomer suicide rate is a significant increase AND occurring before their children are beyond college age AND that they had any intention of paying for college to begin with. And even then, you seem to be arguing that, what, their taxes would cover not only the added cost of millennials to the healthcare industry as well as education. Private businesses invest, because they have a profit motive, which the public sector does not. So your analogy is flawed. Don't like it. Quit voting for people who work to destroy family values in favor of simply stealing from others.

As usual, your assumptions are weird.

(Nov 13, 2019 04:41 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Nov 13, 2019 12:05 AM)Syne Wrote: Responsible parents working hard to care for and put their children through college is very different from demanding all taxpayers do so.

Where did I, or the origianl article say anything about demanding anything from taxpayers?  The study is predicting that it could result in rising health care costs putting a greater financial load on employers and employees, as well as the federal and state governments.

Did you already forget that you were arguing that boomer suicides could cost more?

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Syne Wrote:To make your point, you'd have to show that the increase in the boomer suicide rate is a significant increase AND occurring before their children are beyond college age AND that they had any intention of paying for college to begin with. And even then, you seem to be arguing that, what, their taxes would cover not only the added cost of millennials to the healthcare industry as well as education. Private businesses invest, because they have a profit motive, which the public sector does not. So your analogy is flawed. Don't like it. Quit voting for people who work to destroy family values in favor of simply stealing from others.

As usual, your assumptions are weird.

No, you just don't see the obvious necessities of your own arguments, and not smart enough to simply ask questions until you figure it out.

(Nov 14, 2019 12:10 AM)Syne Wrote: Did you already forget that you were arguing that boomer suicides could cost more? 

Cost more than what? Than millenials?

No, that wasn't my point at all.

Oh, BTW, I changed my mind.

(Dec 20, 2017 08:08 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: You're a bad dancer, Syne. 

You dance around issues quite well.

I made several points. The first one was directed at Yazata.

1. Don't do what you hate.
   
2. Bottling up your emotions doesn’t make you stronger.
   
3. The indirect cost of premature deaths outweighs the cost of healthcare.
   
4. Boomers are still contributing.
   

I do have a few more questions, though.

"Employer-sponsored health insurance plans dramatically expanded as a direct result of wage controls imposed by the federal government during World War II."[1]

Lots of people stay with a company simply because they don’t want to lose their health insurance but many do not realize that the benefit comes at the cost of lower wages, albeit tax exempt, but nevertheless, employers are shifting more and more of the costs of premiums to employees. Does job-lock contribute to wage stagnation?

Employer-Sponsored-Insurance (ESI) was thought to be the glue that grouped together risk pools making health insurance more affordable but wouldn’t more people be diving into the risk pool with individual plans?

Employees in higher tax brackets benefit far more from the tax exemption and their coverage is typically more generous. Do generous plans drive up the cost of health care?

(Nov 14, 2019 03:31 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

(Nov 14, 2019 12:10 AM)Syne Wrote: Did you already forget that you were arguing that boomer suicides could cost more? 

Cost more than what?

Ahem:

(Nov 14, 2019 03:31 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:

1. The indirect cost of premature deaths outweighs the cost of healthcare.
   

If you can't follow your own point, that's on you.

Quote:No, that wasn't my point at all.

Then why did you JUST repeat it? O_o



I'll respond to the rest later, when it's not so much of a red herring to distract from your above confused nonsense.