(Jan 9, 2019 09:58 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: My son devoted an entire day to me while he was home. He let me choose a place to go. I took C2’s advice and chose an activity, not golf, but disc golf. I combined my love for hiking with an activity that he likes, and I must say, it worked wonders. I got more information out of him than I normally would during a face to face discussion. I was wondering if there was anything I should tell him before I die, which hopefully, isn’t anytime soon. I told him that there were tons of things that I’d wish that I’d had asked my father before he died. Do you know what he said? "Mom, I hate to break this to you but you’ve kind of been replaced by Google. If there’s anything I need to know, I can just research it myself, but thanks anyway." Do you think Google is as nurturing as a mother would be?
Around here I haven't seen much of the "clinging to apron strings longer" shift in behavior attributed to iGen. But the traditional gravitation back to parents when they need money is still flourishing. Google hasn't been able to replace us yet for that. Maybe when Google Robot Nannies finally roll off their assembly line we'll become as superfluous as vestigial organs, but for the time being the basement-dwelling designers of that fabulist project can't even squeeze past the Google AI Quantum teams clogging the corridors.
(Jan 9, 2019 09:58 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: My son devoted an entire day to me while he was home. He let me choose a place to go. I took C2’s advice and chose an activity, not golf, but disc golf. I combined my love for hiking with an activity that he likes, and I must say, it worked wonders. I got more information out of him than I normally would during a face to face discussion. I was wondering if there was anything I should tell him before I die, which hopefully, isn’t anytime soon. I told him that there were tons of things that I’d wish that I’d had asked my father before he died. Do you know what he said? "Mom, I hate to break this to you but you’ve kind of been replaced by Google. If there’s anything I need to know, I can just research it myself, but thanks anyway." Do you think Google is as nurturing as a mother would be?
I'm pretty sure that he was probably just trying to be witty and meant it in a light hearted manner. I doubt any boy or man would intend to say something that would cause undue stress or worry to their mothers (usually because us guys know how mothers worry and we end up worrying about being fussed about too much by them.)
As for Google being a replacement. It would never be the same. Is a robot going to wag a finger at a child because it just got crayoned over or pushed on its side so it can't get back upright? If anything robots will likely lead to a further waywardness of youth which is currently bad enough with this generation (unless the robots are fitted with tazers, but then we'd have a whole unkind and cruel different direction the world with go by having kids tazered when they act up.)
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SS....You can always ask Google. Let's not forget that they're listening too (?).
Hey Google: Does your company know more about my kid than I do?
Yeah, I know. Creepy, eh? I’ve overheard several people claiming that whenever they just talk about something, they start getting advertisements for it. Like in this video. So, yeah, the big large tech companies probably do know more about my son than I do.
I read "Homo Deus". Yuval Noah Harari thinks that sometime soon we’ll have algorithms that are able to understand us better than we understand ourselves.
(Jan 10, 2019 03:51 PM)stryder Wrote: I'm pretty sure that he was probably just trying to be witty and meant it in a light hearted manner. I doubt any boy or man would intend to say something that would cause undue stress or worry to their mothers (usually because us guys know how mothers worry and we end up worrying about being fussed about too much by them.)
As for Google being a replacement. It would never be the same.
Yeah, you’re right, Styrder, but there is some truth to it. If my father was still alive today, I don’t think I’d turn to him for advice. I’d probably just google it, too.
Quote:Yeah, I know. Creepy, eh? I’ve overheard several people claiming that whenever they just talk about something, they start getting advertisements for it. Like in this video. So, yeah, the big large tech companies probably do know more about my son than I do.
I read "Homo Deus". Yuval Noah Harari thinks that sometime soon we’ll have algorithms that are able to understand us better than we understand ourselves.
I think we'd be too naive to think that access to information won't cause a problem down the road. I mean it doesn't matter what stance you take, someone on the internet will support it, be it blog, website or whatever. Feel for science in particular, it's going to have to fight to prevent the whacko's from taking over. What's going to happen to the truth? I'm too old to fret about it, my generation worried its parents, no different here.
I still like what CC intimates....the bank of mom & dad won't be closing too soon.
C CJan 10, 2019 07:30 PM (This post was last modified: Jan 10, 2019 07:32 PM by C C.)
(Jan 10, 2019 05:07 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Yeah, you’re right, Styrder, but there is some truth to it. If my father was still alive today, I don’t think I’d turn to him for advice. I’d probably just google it, too.
There's arguably tacit knowledge (including personal subtleties of expertise) which can elude the documenting, cataloguing, and graphics of the online mega-brain or library. The family incubation and delivery of emotional regulators, motivations, and philosophical wisdom of lived life also acquire greater status in the later maturity of offspring. As there's a bevy of sporadic passages in the books and newspaper columns of the past where their authors opine about how as adolescents and early twenty-somethings they felt their parents were outdated relics trailing behind the ever advancing illuminations of business, social and technical progress. But as they trudged deeper into the chaotic malaise of adulthood, began to appreciate that the "old dodo knew what s/he was talking about after all."
C CJan 10, 2019 08:31 PM (This post was last modified: Jan 10, 2019 08:34 PM by C C.)
(Jan 9, 2019 09:58 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I’ve read a lot of Nussbaum’s work and she’s had plenty to say about Kant. [...] She mentioned a fascinating article by Barbara Herman, who devotes a great deal of her attention to Kant. She’s defended many of Kant’s basic moral ideas but in this article she attempts to defend his ideas on sex and marriage. She said that Kant’s evident misogyny and disdain for the body have caused feminists to dismiss his arguments without seriously considering them.
That (emotional or immediate POV) focus on and reflexive negative reaction to specific items and then rejecting the general (rational or abstract POV) edifice of a work/tradition or its underlying foundation -- which the former may not actually follow necessarily from -- is what Carol Hay seems to roll her eyes up as a stereotyping of women to justify lower rank and oppression. Men just as commonly exhibit such judgements via emotion / narrow focus themselves but still get a free pass via their historical cultural programming self-portrayal as the more "rational agents" of the two sexes.
Quote:She argues, that Kant’s thinking about the possibilities of exploitation inherent in sexuality should be taken seriously. She said that he correctly points out that sexual interest in another’s body frequently blocks respect for the other as a person, leading the person to be treated as a thing. The prospect of sexual pleasure, furthermore, also leads people to volunteer to be treated as things. Sexual activity involves mutual surrender and thus, for Kant, the conversion of persons into things. In his view, marriage is the way in which laws intervene to define the parties to a sexual relationship as equal persons, thereby blocking the natural tendency to objectify people. He thought that the rules of care and support in a marriage produced an artificial structure of care and regard.
She said that feminist are skeptical of this because they judge, and with good reason, that marriage has all too frequently promoted and protected the exploitation of women, but nevertheless, much can be learned from a Kant's critical analysis of sexual relations, martial and non-marital.
Interesting that she is able to extract usefulness from Kant's particulars after all. When limited to a mere synopsis of it, Carol Hay's feminism sounds as if she like the others gave up on rescuing the finer details and concentrated on utilizing Kant's general template. More along the line of expanding who is included in his general themes for human rights -- not exploiting people as a means to an end, ubiquitous public respect for rational agents and the inward duty to one's self justifying the countering of subjugation.
Police spokesman Lt. Paul Doroshov said the paper was found face up on the gunman’s bed.
“The Davis Police department has been hitting me with ultra sonic (sic) waves meant to keep dogs from barking,” the letter said. “I notified the press, internal affairs, and even the FBI about it. I am highly sensitive to its affect (sic) on my inner ear. I did my best to appease them, but they have continued for years and I can’t live this way anymore.”
The handwritten note was signed “Citizen Kevin Limbaugh.”
stryderJan 14, 2019 10:20 PM (This post was last modified: Jan 14, 2019 11:14 PM by stryder.)
I have actually worked out the best course of action for people suffering from such attacks, however it does require a coordinated effort by those that currently are suffering such attacks to get together (which incidentally is difficult for such people because such effects likely cause them to be agoraphobic and they will find it hard to trust people).
The idea came to me with a recent bout in change of operation on myself, obviously I've been quite vocalised about my displeasure with such influences and it sounds as if even the operators at their end have been given a slight taste of their own medicine in regards to having noise subjected to them during their operation. The noise itself has been audible to me (a mixture of Accordion music and golden oldies like The Birdie Song which funnily enough could be referred to as Flipping them the Bird (wikipedia.org))
Literally the seriousness of the misuse isn't taken seriously be police or domestic intelligences and it usually just gets pushed onto the healthcare systems to deal with. This increases the problems with those that attempt to deal with peoples welfare, while not supporting any changes in the foreseeable future in regards to how legislation needs to be more active against such misuse.
Ideally this would mean having to force the legislative hand by action. Originally I posed many considerations that weren't viable to get the problem noticed and consider how the system could be rectified. The simplest solution is actually a protest, while indeed it would be a peaceful one, it might not be quiet... well it shouldn't be quiet.
I considered how when the last pope was on his last legs, people around his death bed held days of virgules where they sang hymns. I'm not suggesting we turn to religion but I do realise that having people sing in a large collective for days at a time must of been both emotional and bloody awkward for anyone wanting sleep in the area. For the governments to learn about how the radiological abuse goes on, they need to understand how it feels, they need therefore in some respects to be subjected to something similar.
So literally holding a couple of days virgule outside the government buildings playing the birdie song on accordions (And singing particular anthems that even kids can sing along to, so no rude words), blowing whistles, using airhorns (make it like how a millennium party should of been) eventually such governments would learn what it's like to be subjected to such things for prolonged durations.
Ideally such virgule (as opposed to just standard protest) should be organised with people that can offer better support for those that suffer from such problems and also perhaps aid in the detection of such problems too. (Ideally a mobile testing lab to identify the reality for the victims can then be used to show how widespread the problem is, of course due to the scrutinisation of science I'd suggest even people that don't suffer such things should admit themselves for testing as it would allow the tests to identify if the can conclusively confirm that such attacks are real. Healthcare professionals should also be invited to help where they can and also learn about the changes to their profession because of it.)
So theres the rough idea of how this could be at long last taken seriously in a non-violent or volatile way. The problem now is the right proponents for action, the right protagonist(s) to kickstart the ball (wikipedia.org) rolling (and get the party started)
Additional to the Birdie song another one used is an electro version of the Can Can (wikipedia.org), similar to Popcorn (wikipedia.org) using something similar to a Moog Synthesizer (wikipedia.org).
Jan 10, 2019 09:37 AM
