Diagnosis of tumor by hallucinatory voices

[stryder]

I don't believe a brain tumour would cause an internal voice.  Consider running a computer on the wrong voltage, it doesn't suddenly write itself a sentient program to tell you to adjust the voltage, it's completely out of scope with what is possible.

It's more likely that a clandestine group was using a particular frequency system to manipulate peoples minds (bone reverberation, ultrasound etc), perhaps for study, perhaps as part of a larger conspiracy in regards to manipulation (both foreign and domestic) and they likely found that she happened to have a tumour.  (possibly caused by their misuse in the first place.  However a tumours density would show up through diffusion from any passive interpretation of frequency being diffused through a biological.)

The problem currently is such groups haven't been publicly identified (In fact the governments don't even currently investigate such misuse.)

I had to take my son to the airport the other day. We were waiting at Starbucks and there was a guy sitting next to me on the floor leaning against a post. He said something out loud and then apologized. I said to my son, I wonder what his story is. He was mumbling to himself as he typed on his cell phone. His behavior was a little abnormal. He had an expensive cello case, though, and he noticed me staring at it. He opened it up and began playing. I was shocked. He was really-really good. He said that he’s been running from the FBI for the last ten years and hasn’t had much time to practice. He thought he was in a safe zone because he was in an international airport. Go figure. He played some more and then we chatted for a bit. He was from Romania. I asked him about it. He said it was beautiful but very corrupt. Not like here, though. He said the corruption was in your face but here it was sneaky like an anaconda. He asked me if I thought it was dangerous to speak the truth. I just shrugged my shoulders. He pointed towards the ceiling and asked, what if it was the truth from above? Well, you know me, I’m an atheist. So, I just shrugged my shoulders again. He apologized again. I said, No worries. You’re really good. I enjoyed it. He said, No, for my mouth. I said, Ah, don’t worry about it. I enjoyed meeting you.

If it was me, I’d always have my headphones and my phone. That way if you happen to talk back to the voices, no one would think anything about it. They’d just think that you’re on the phone.

That must be so infuriating. I even get annoyed when my son turns on the music in the car and then wants to have a conversation with it blaring. I listened to an audio representation of the voices. I don’t know if I could cope. Is it all the time like 24/7 or does it go away sometimes? What else is there that you can do to distract yourself besides playing video games? Does exercise help?

I think by definition there is many varieties of effect that people can suffer from.

For instance I know from an old article about Tinnitus that some little old lady the article was about suggested that she her Tinnitus was the repetitive play of an old nursery rhythm.

A separate article had a company in trouble with their local council because their anti-trespass/anti-burglar device was playing a nursery rhythm every time the wind picked up and people living a little way away had been reporting "spooky" nursery rhythms in the middle of the night. (or probably thought they were going nuts)

I'm unsure as to if the articles or the people were connected, however it does bring the point that one persons observation could easily be something mundane or something conspired.

Repetitive loops are easily automated and unfortunately means that nobody has to be observing other than the person that suffers from them. Think of it a bit like how music can be used to disrupt sleep to torture or attempt to make someone complacent during interrogations (I'm basing this on Hollywood adaptions, I don't participate in such things myself).

This can be further broadened though where complacency can manipulate Agoraphobia or Autistic traits, perhaps far enough to make people do things that those that haven't been directly touched by would only assume to be fiction. (The Manchurian Candidate) That of course is the problem of long term harassment, mood swings, paranoia and the ability to snap in a heartbeat. It's likely made worse however when people are just unwilling to consider that there might be more truth to the story than it just being a manifestation of their own psyche or a physiological/psychological disorder.

In example you mention of the guy you met "running from the FBI". It's likely that he's controlled the narrative that he assumed that it was the FBI using it, the FBI while they do indeed do wiretaps etc, they don't tend to use this "exotic" approach, this is more military espionage and/or industrial espionage.

That's one of the main problems when dealing with such things, every individual has their own narrative. Namely how they think, what conclusions they draw etc. This can be a down to a mixture of how they live and what education they have. So two exactly the same messages being sent to two different people can have two completely different conclusions about where they came from. They might see it/them as an Angel, Demon, God, FBI, Russians, Nazis, Military, Leprechaun, spirit, parallel dimension, aliens etc.

There isn't really a way to currently prove the misuse. It's known that some people do commit suicide to escape from it, perhaps they think it will get whoever is messing them about in trouble. The problem with that notion is that such misuse isn't aimed at just one person, in fact I'm pretty sure the misuse is used on a number of people, that's why a persons threat to do harm to themselves or others doesn't result in the termination of the espionage on them (since there's potentially dozens of other people on the systems they use).

Theres a few considered ways of dealing with it: (For those viewers at home, don't do the dumb things from these considerations)

One is to actually force the hand of those misusing people would be likely something similar to Heavens Gate or Waco, whereby all people currently afflicted literally plan to suicide together the problem with that however is nobody should actually get to the point of actually taking their own life which means the base need for survival tends to undermine it as a bargaining chip. (It's a sorry state of affairs if such methods have to be used to rectify clandestine operations)

Alternatively there is always the Anarchistic manifesto, (figuratively) to storm the ivory towers of those in power and bring them crashing down. Again this isn't something that can be done as an individual, it requires every person to have been effected either directly from such equipment or friends and family of those effect to act together. The problem is those committing the espionage likely are operating their own manifesto, for instance forcing people into playing out this activistic role is enough for them to force law changes, target individuals and groups and further erode everyone human and civil rights.

This leads to the way that most people suffering from this play it. They wait it out, hoping that one day all those operating such equipment will just drop dead. It's not the most ideal method and in some respects its the way that such perpetrators continue to get away with it.

Legislation would have to change a great deal for victims to be seen as victims and for them to have the chance to not just regain their lives but seek the restitution they deserve.

[C C]

. . . For instance I know from an old article about Tinnitus that some little old lady the article was about suggested that she her Tinnitus was the repetitive play of an old nursery rhythm.

[...] That of course is the problem of long term harassment, mood swings, paranoia and the ability to snap in a heartbeat. It's likely made worse however when people are just unwilling to consider that there might be more truth to the story than it just being a manifestation of their own psyche or a physiological/psychological disorder.

In example you mention of the guy you met "running from the FBI". It's likely that he's controlled the narrative that he assumed that it was the FBI using it, the FBI while they do indeed do wiretaps etc, they don't tend to use this "exotic" approach, this is more military espionage and/or industrial espionage.

That's one of the main problems when dealing with such things, every individual has their own narrative. Namely how they think, what conclusions they draw etc. This can be a down to a mixture of how they live and what education they have. So two exactly the same messages being sent to two different people can have two completely different conclusions about where they came from. They might see it/them as an Angel, Demon, God, FBI, Russians, Nazis, Military, Leprechaun, spirit, parallel dimension, aliens etc. [...]

Perhaps similar to a sleeper's own individual psychology weaving a causal narrative from arbitrary ear and skin impulses that make their way through the usual insulating barriers of the dream process. Even altering the conversion of the electrochemical impulses into phenomena so that they become more complex or interesting than what they would otherwise be mundanely experienced slash interpreted as.

NIETZSCHE: The posture of the sleeper compresses some portions of the body. The coverlets influence the sensations in different ways. [...] Now, the dream is a seeking and presenting of reasons for these excitations of feeling, of the supposed reasons, that is to say. Thus, for example, whoever has his feet bound with two threads will probably dream that a pair of serpents are coiled about his feet. This is at first a hypothesis, then a belief with an accompanying imaginative picture and the argument: "these snakes must be the causa of those sensations which I, the sleeper, now have." So reasons the mind of the sleeper. The conditions precedent, as thus conjectured, become, owing to the excitation of the fancy, present realities. Everyone knows from experience how a dreamer will transform one piercing sound, for example, that of a bell, into another of quite a different nature, say, the report of cannon.

In his dream he becomes aware first of the effects, which he explains by a subsequent hypothesis and becomes persuaded of the purely conjectural nature of the sound. But how comes it that the mind of the dreamer goes so far astray when the same mind, awake, is habitually cautious, careful, and so conservative in its dealings with hypotheses? why does the first plausible hypothesis of the cause of a sensation gain credit in the dreaming state? (For in a dream we look upon that dream as reality, that is, we accept our hypotheses as fully established). I have no doubt that as men argue in their dreams to-day, mankind argued, even in their waking moments, for thousands of years: the first causa, that occurred to the mind with reference to anything that stood in need of explanation, was accepted as the true explanation and served as such. (Savages show the same tendency in operation, as the reports of travelers agree). --Human, All Too Human

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[Secular Sanity]

NIETZSCHE: The posture of the sleeper compresses some portions of the body. The coverlets influence the sensations in different ways. [...] Now, the dream is a seeking and presenting of reasons for these excitations of feeling, of the supposed reasons, that is to say. Thus, for example, whoever has his feet bound with two threads will probably dream that a pair of serpents are coiled about his feet. This is at first a hypothesis, then a belief with an accompanying imaginative picture and the argument: "these snakes must be the causa of those sensations which I, the sleeper, now have." So reasons the mind of the sleeper. The conditions precedent, as thus conjectured, become, owing to the excitation of the fancy, present realities. Everyone knows from experience how a dreamer will transform one piercing sound, for example, that of a bell, into another of quite a different nature, say, the report of cannon.

In his dream he becomes aware first of the effects, which he explains by a subsequent hypothesis and becomes persuaded of the purely conjectural nature of the sound. But how comes it that the mind of the dreamer goes so far astray when the same mind, awake, is habitually cautious, careful, and so conservative in its dealings with hypotheses? why does the first plausible hypothesis of the cause of a sensation gain credit in the dreaming state? (For in a dream we look upon that dream as reality, that is, we accept our hypotheses as fully established). I have no doubt that as men argue in their dreams to-day, mankind argued, even in their waking moments, for thousands of years: the first causa, that occurred to the mind with reference to anything that stood in need of explanation, was accepted as the true explanation and served as such. (Savages show the same tendency in operation, as the reports of travelers agree). --Human, All Too Human

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I read that book that you mentioned, "Hiking with Nietzsche". I liked it. He referenced Hermann Hesse’s Zarathustra's Return essay (published anonymously in 1919) in which Hesse exhorted German youth to shake off the false gods of nationalism and militarism that had lead their country into the abyss. He wrote, "If you are in pain, if you are afraid and have foreboding of danger—why not, if only to amuse yourselves…try to put the question in a different way? Why not ask whether the source of your pain might be inside yourselves?...Might it not be an amusing exercise for each one of you to examine what ails you and try to determine the source?"

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There isn't really a way to currently prove the misuse.  It's known that some people do commit suicide to escape from it, perhaps they think it will get whoever is messing them about in trouble.  The problem with that notion is that such misuse isn't aimed at just one person, in fact I'm pretty sure the misuse is used on a number of people, that's why a persons threat to do harm to themselves or others doesn't result in the termination of the espionage on them (since there's potentially dozens of other people on the systems they use).

There's a few considered ways of dealing with it: (For those viewers at home, don't do the dumb things from these considerations)

One is to actually force the hand of those misusing people would be likely something similar to Heavens Gate or Waco, whereby all people currently afflicted literally plan to suicide together the problem with that however is nobody should actually get to the point of actually taking their own life which means the base need for survival tends to undermine it as a bargaining chip.  (It's a sorry state of affairs if such methods have to be used to rectify clandestine operations)

Alternatively there is always the Anarchistic manifesto, (figuratively) to storm the ivory towers of those in power and bring them crashing down.  Again this isn't something that can be done as an individual, it requires every person to have been effected either directly from such equipment or friends and family of those effect to act together.  The problem is those committing the espionage likely are operating their own manifesto, for instance forcing people into playing out this activistic role is enough for them to force law changes, target individuals and groups and further erode everyone human and civil rights.

This leads to the way that most people suffering from this play it.  They wait it out, hoping that one day all those operating such equipment will just drop dead.  It's not the most ideal method and in some respects its the way that such perpetrators continue to get away with it.  

Legislation would have to change a great deal for victims to be seen as victims and for them to have the chance to not just regain their lives but seek the restitution they deserve.

Yeah, I know. You’ve told me that before. I can’t even imagine.

Obviously, you’re under no obligation but you didn’t answer my question. I’m just curious. Do you hear them all the time? Does it get worse when you’re tired? How about when you’re sleeping? Does it ever wake you up?

Stryder, if it was some sort of espionage, why would medication lessen the effects?

[C C]

I read that book that you mentioned, "Hiking with Nietzsche". I liked it. He referenced Hermann Hesse’s Zarathustra's Return essay (published anonymously in 1919) in which Hesse exhorted German youth to shake off the false gods of nationalism and militarism that had lead their country into the abyss. He wrote, "If you are in pain, if you are afraid and have foreboding of danger—why not, if only to amuse yourselves…try to put the question in a different way? Why not ask whether the source of your pain might be inside yourselves?...Might it not be an amusing exercise for each one of you to examine what ails you and try to determine the source?"

And outside the self, certainly plenty of hypnotic symbols and ultra-nationalist imagery recruited in the build-up for the next world war: "There is no reality except the one contained within us. That is why so many people live such an unreal life. They take the images outside them for reality and never allow the world within to assert itself." --Hesse

To risk detouring yet another stage from the sanctioned path of this thread... I keep forgetting that John Kaag's wife is "Kantian feminist" Carol Hay. That's got to sound like an oxymoron to some (which she brought up herself in that OpEd), due to the impression (on paper rather than his personal conduct) that Kant was as much a misogynist as Schopenhauer. The latter had a bitter relationship with his mother, whereas Kant adored Anna Regina:

"I will never forget my mother, for she implanted and nurtured in me the first germ of goodness; she opened my heart to the impressions of nature; she awakened and furthered my concepts, and her doctrines have had a continual and beneficial influence in my life." [...] Had it not been for his sensitive and intelligent mother, his life might well have taken an entirely different course. --Kant's Philosophical Development, SEP

An additional contrast between the two philosophers is a young (wine drinking and party-going) Kant only having two romantic interests in his life that many believe were never erotically fulfilled; whereas young Schopenhauer was a spirited libertine who zealously frequented brothels. Another factor in the latter's condescending attitude toward women was the annual payment that Caroline Marquet won in a lawsuit and held over Schopenhauer until her death. (But against the classic tropes of the Alfred Hitchcock Presents show, his pushing her down the stairs was what provoked the litigation, not the act killing her years later.)

It's no secret that an elderly Kant adjusted his writings in deference to the Prussian regime and surrounding customs (especially when such threatened him with consequences). Which generated potential inconsistencies in his works and a range of logical acrobatics on his part to try to either avoid or obscure them. This could as much be attributed to his own moral over-emphasis on duty and keeping promises, as his being a sociopolitical pushover in the frailty and squeamishness of old age.

Mason Cash: Kant has recently been hailed as a radical precursor to contemporary feminism (Mosser 1999; Schott 2000[?]), yet one can easily find a deep-seated conservative misogyny in what Kant actually wrote about women. [...] One of my aims here is to –as much as is possible– make sense of the tension between the focus on equality, universality, respect for persons and autonomy in Kant’s overall philosophy, and his endorsement of rather misogynistic 18th century Prussian views on women’s place in the family and in society.

[...] The question arises, however, as to whether Kant is actively defending his culture’s mores and laws regarding women, or unthinkingly endorsing them. The rather devious logical tactics I show Kant to employ in making these derivations, suggest that Kant is (often clumsily) force-fitting these conclusions about women to premises involving the Moral Law and the Laws of Nature, rather than drawing the conclusions that would naturally flow from such premises.

Thus we can safely ignore his particular pronouncements about women, while not necessarily rejecting their (alleged) foundation and its support for certain aspects of feminist thought, since these conclusions should not be drawn from that Kantian foundation. --Distancing Kantian Ethics and Politics from Kant's Views on Women

Those references: Mosser, Kurt. 1999. "Kant and Feminism." ... Schott, Robin May. 1997. "Feminist Interpretations of Immanuel Kant"

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[stryder]

There isn't really a way to currently prove the misuse.  It's known that some people do commit suicide to escape from it, perhaps they think it will get whoever is messing them about in trouble.  The problem with that notion is that such misuse isn't aimed at just one person, in fact I'm pretty sure the misuse is used on a number of people, that's why a persons threat to do harm to themselves or others doesn't result in the termination of the espionage on them (since there's potentially dozens of other people on the systems they use).

There's a few considered ways of dealing with it: (For those viewers at home, don't do the dumb things from these considerations)

One is to actually force the hand of those misusing people would be likely something similar to Heavens Gate or Waco, whereby all people currently afflicted literally plan to suicide together the problem with that however is nobody should actually get to the point of actually taking their own life which means the base need for survival tends to undermine it as a bargaining chip.  (It's a sorry state of affairs if such methods have to be used to rectify clandestine operations)

Alternatively there is always the Anarchistic manifesto, (figuratively) to storm the ivory towers of those in power and bring them crashing down.  Again this isn't something that can be done as an individual, it requires every person to have been effected either directly from such equipment or friends and family of those effect to act together.  The problem is those committing the espionage likely are operating their own manifesto, for instance forcing people into playing out this activistic role is enough for them to force law changes, target individuals and groups and further erode everyone human and civil rights.

This leads to the way that most people suffering from this play it.  They wait it out, hoping that one day all those operating such equipment will just drop dead.  It's not the most ideal method and in some respects its the way that such perpetrators continue to get away with it.  

Legislation would have to change a great deal for victims to be seen as victims and for them to have the chance to not just regain their lives but seek the restitution they deserve.

Yeah, I know. You’ve told me that before. I can’t even imagine.

Obviously, you’re under no obligation but you didn’t answer my question. I’m just curious. Do you hear them all the time? Does it get worse when you’re tired? How about when you’re sleeping? Does it ever wake you up?

Stryder, if it was some sort of espionage, why would medication lessen the effects?

In my particular case I assume that a supercomputer is used to attempt to conjecturer what I would say/think, as it would otherwise be too difficult to guess what a person is thinking. This means that an internal vocalisation is generated like a running monologue. If I ignore it or don't have any qualms with what is being said then it likely doesn't identify (worry, doubts, lies etc likely cause an increase in blood pressure within certain regions of the brain which is noticeable through radio-frequency diffusion) when something is said that I didn't actually think (This is where operators have in the past interjected to cause mischief), if something is said that is completely perpendicular to my train of though, then it stands out like a saw thumb.

Due to it being alienating at times, it's led me to have to speak out loud just to make sure my voice is heard and not a deep fake.

It makes no difference if I'm refreshed from a decent sleep, insomniac for 34hrs straight, drunk (which isn't often) it's still observable. Playing computer games or debugging servers tends to keep me preoccupied and therefore capable of ignoring them to some extent (at least until they want to be noticed)

I don't do medication, I don't need any. Let's put it like this, if you lost your leg in a car accident and then got drunk, you'd just be drunk with a missing leg, you don't suddenly grow one back. It's the same thing when you endure such a system, you could be blitzed out of your mind but the misuse will continue. The only time it doesn't seem particular effective is when I'm unconscious but that's the nature of unconscious to not be conscious. That would literally mean that the best medication would be sleeping pills, but then it wouldn't be much of a life in a perpetual self-induced coma.

[Secular Sanity]

I don't do medication, I don't need any.  Let's put it like this, if you lost your leg in a car accident and then got drunk, you'd just be drunk with a missing leg, you don't suddenly grow one back.  It's the same thing when you endure such a system, you could be blitzed out of your mind but the misuse will continue.  The only time it doesn't seem particular effective is when I'm unconscious but that's the nature of unconscious to not be conscious.   That would literally mean that the best medication would be sleeping pills, but then it wouldn't be much of a life in a perpetual self-induced coma.

You may not take medication, but other people have, and it has been shown to reduce the effects. There’s simply no way that I can think of that would explain why medication would decrease the effects, if it was in fact some sort of espionage, can you?

That's one of the main problems when dealing with such things, every individual has their own narrative. Namely how they think, what conclusions they draw etc. This can be a down to a mixture of how they live and what education they have. So two exactly the same messages being sent to two different people can have two completely different conclusions about where they came from. They might see it/them as an Angel, Demon, God, FBI, Russians, Nazis, Military, Leprechaun, spirit, parallel dimension, aliens etc.

Well, I can only offer you my train of thought. Clearly, I’m not an expert but here’s what I think. It’s well known that apophenia is related to our pattern-recognition abilities. Some studies show that high levels of dopamine affect the propensity to find meaning where there is none. We’re all designed to perceive meaning over randomness and cause over coincidence. Who knows? Maybe MR has higher levels of dopamine. Dopamine levels do increase during crises. Do you remember that story that I told about my brakes going out? Well, I wasn’t exaggerating when I said that it felt like it wasn’t me.

My brake pedal went all the way to the floor.  I lost my brakes in bumper to bumper traffic.  I was able to cut across four lanes of traffic and get to an off ramp.  As luck would have it, the off ramp was slightly uphill.  I was able to come to a complete stop by using my emergency brake.  It was strange, though.  It felt like it wasn’t me.  I looked back at the traffic and thought, "How in the hell did I manage to do that?"

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-2857.h...ight=angel

Some of the more effective medications block dopamine receptors, but If we look at dichotic listening and split brain syndrome, the DISC1 gene disruption would make perfect sense.

Studies have shown that people with callosal agenesis carry a deletion on chromosome 1, at position 1q42 – exactly where DISC1 is located, which would then make the misattribution of self-generated information as externally perceived. Sort of like Gazzaniga’s concept of the left-hemisphere interpreter. "For example, a patient with split brain is shown a picture of a chicken foot and a snowy field in separate visual fields and asked to choose from a list of words the best association with the pictures. The patient would choose a chicken to associate with the chicken foot and a shovel to associate with the snow; however, when asked to reason why the patient chose the shovel, the response would relate to the chicken (e.g. "the shovel is for cleaning out the chicken coop"). [source]

It's likely made worse however when people are just unwilling to consider that there might be more truth to the story than it just being a manifestation of their own psyche or a physiological/psychological disorder.

I know and I feel bad about that. I can see how frustrating it must be. Even as a skeptic, I feel alienated at times, but to a lesser degree, of course. Everyone seems to have their own little narratives. We all sprinkle reality with emotional seasoning to create meaning but mine doesn’t have as much flavor as most people. No one is ever really interested in hearing the things that I’ve learned. They’ll usually just ask me about how long it took me to read all of those books but never about the content.

I hosted a poker game here the other night. There was a younger couple that was telling us all about a haunted house that they rented on the coast. A friend of mine, who had lost her husband and son joined in the conversation. I didn’t see any reason to spoil their ghost stories by offering plausible explanations. They all seemed to be enjoying themselves and bonding over the tales. And of course, even I’m still susceptible to coincidences here and there. Like C C implied, it is part of being human, I suppose. Human, all too human.  

Thanks for answering my questions. Don’t ever leave us, though, okay, Stryder? I need a safe place to come to, you know. In that book that I read, "Hiking with Nietzsche," he talks about how exploring Nietzsche’s life is also to confront his recurring desire to escape it. He lived in the face of a persistent temptation to die. "It is not in our hands to prevent our birth but we can correct this mistake." However, if this is all there is, (Life), I see no reason to bow out early, but it is still frightening at times. Like Allen Wheelis said, "We are plunging down a cataract, and what’s important is to call out. Not for help, there is no help. Not in despair-what can anyone do but shrug, look away? But to give a signal. A gesture of love and humor to acknowledge drowning so others who drown will know they are not alone."

[stryder]

You may not take medication, but other people have, and it has been shown to reduce the effects. There’s simply no way that I can think of that would explain why medication would decrease the effects, if it was in fact some sort of espionage, can you?

Many people can suffer many similar ailments that all have different causes. A person with a limp could have a psychosomatic reaction, perhaps they injured it physically while working out or perhaps they choose to limp for some odd reason, perhaps it draws style or makes their life feel like they have meaning.

The same can be said of what people pose is the same, but are in fact different.

In the case of pointing out Tinnitus (although both points didn't directly collate to what I was actually meaning) I was considering that there are indeed many different problems that people have that aren't all the same. If someone hears a voice in their head it's true that it doesn't necessarily mean they are being used by some kind of Zeitgeist Beast, if it's limited, and irregular then it could well be something of their own divination (Their imagination), if it's overly repetitive and far more energetic than their own mind then it stands out as being external. (Consider a thought requires burning calories, it could be suggested that if someone really was "Imagining" what they hear, a lot of energy would be consumed to "Create" the manifestation which in turn would be higher than just the energy consumption of "Observing" a third-party interaction.)

This of course is awkward with a mind that questions everything, as every input becomes self-iterative as the reality of what is being heard is considered. That's why the best option for identifying the energy difference is actually while a human mind is subdued through monotony (such as playing a game and concentrating on the game as the objective while literally hazing out anything else that would otherwise be contemplated)

I question in regards to medicine might be struck in relationship to peoples beliefs and the "placebo" effect. If a sugar coated pill gives the interpretation that someone will feel well in 10 minutes, the assumption can be drawn that subconsciously they prepare themselves for that event (thus the placebo), in essence even with real medicine part of the effect is literally this "illusion" adding comfort in our times of discomfort.

So rationally some people will find comfort or treatment in medicine, however not everyone. It kind of reminds me of the quote usually attributed to Abe Lincoln (whether it was his or not is another story):

You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

This quote can be considered in regards to the misuse of such technologies, whether all ailments are the same and even if medicine works.

Thanks for answering my questions. Don’t ever leave us, though, okay, Stryder? I need a safe place to come to, you know.

I tend to have a self-iterative motto... "Don't let the bastards win" (It's not the same as "Don't let the bastards grind you down" but I'm sure I treat it with the same level of comfort that particular quote presided over)

Leaving early would forfeit the game in their favour, so I couldn't do that even if I wanted to.

[Syne]

How many distinct voices? Do any have names?
What is the general tactic of each? Threatening, mischievous, scared, etc.?
Are any associated with any body sensation or pain? If so, which one is associated with what sensation?
Can they respond/react to you?

[Secular Sanity]

I question in regards to medicine might be struck in relationship to peoples beliefs and the "placebo" effect.  If a sugar coated pill gives the interpretation that someone will feel well in 10 minutes, the assumption can be drawn that subconsciously they prepare themselves for that event (thus the placebo), in essence even with real medicine part of the effect is literally this "illusion" adding comfort in our times of discomfort.

So rationally some people will find comfort or treatment in medicine, however not everyone.  It kind of reminds me of the quote usually attributed to Abe Lincoln (whether it was his or not is another story):

You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

I don’t know. If that was the case, though—a disruption between the two hemispheres, it does make you wonder if less invasive techniques could help. Our brains are remarkable and very malleable. It seems like some sort of audio/visual stimuli could possibly rewire the brain, doesn’t it?

I love those songs where the music travels from ear to ear. There’s a list of them on Quora. I didn’t know what it was called but I found out that it’s called stereophonic sound, duh!

I have to stop using that pejorative term 'crank'. Maybe I’ll stick with iconoclast. That sounds better, doesn’t it? Well, there’s this 'iconoclast' that I’ve been arguing with for years now. He created this song called "Sartorial". It does that at about 3:12. It sounds like it's traveling around your head, though. It has lots of other surprises, too. It’s different but I really like it!

https://soundcloud.com/remus-poradin/ple.../sartorial

Doesn’t it seem like some type of similar exercises with speech might be beneficial?

I tend to have a self-iterative motto... "Don't let the bastards win" (It's not the same as "Don't let the bastards grind you down" but I'm sure I treat it with the same level of comfort that particular quote presided over)

Leaving early would forfeit the game in their favour, so I couldn't do that even if I wanted to.

Perfect! Good deal, Stryder.

Thanks!

I'll see you later.

[Secular Sanity]

To risk detouring yet another stage from the sanctioned path of this thread... I keep forgetting that John Kaag's wife is "Kantian feminist" Carol Hay. That's got to sound like an oxymoron to some (which she brought up herself in that OpEd), due to the impression (on paper rather than his personal conduct) that Kant was as much a misogynist as Schopenhauer. The latter had a bitter relationship with his mother, whereas Kant adored Anna Regina:

"I will never forget my mother, for she implanted and nurtured in me the first germ of goodness; she opened my heart to the impressions of nature; she awakened and furthered my concepts, and her doctrines have had a continual and beneficial influence in my life." [...] Had it not been for his sensitive and intelligent mother, his life might well have taken an entirely different course. --Kant's Philosophical Development, SEP

Oh, sorry, C C. I didn’t see this.

His feeling towards Nietzsche was a little different than mine. I thought it was comforting having Nietzsche’s thoughts when thinking about such things.

My son devoted an entire day to me while he was home. He let me choose a place to go. I took C2’s advice and chose an activity, not golf, but disc golf. I combined my love for hiking with an activity that he likes, and I must say, it worked wonders. I got more information out of him than I normally would during a face to face discussion. I was wondering if there was anything I should tell him before I die, which hopefully, isn’t anytime soon. I told him that there were tons of things that I’d wish that I’d had asked my father before he died. Do you know what he said? "Mom, I hate to break this to you but you’ve kind of been replaced by Google. If there’s anything I need to know, I can just research it myself, but thanks anyway." Do you think Google is as nurturing as a mother would be? 

I’ve read a lot of Nussbaum’s work and she’s had plenty to say about Kant. I haven’t read it but I should probably read "A Mind of One’s Own". Nussbaum said that this collection of essays is important because women in philosophy have too long been silent about the question it poses. It’s distinguished by the quality of its contributors. She said that on no previous occasion have so many of the most interesting female thinkers in philosophy contributed to a single book dealing with feminist issues. But she said that most of the contributors pulled their punches.

She mentioned a fascinating article by Barbara Herman, who devotes a great deal of her attention to Kant. She’s defended many of Kant’s basic moral ideas but in this article she attempts to defend his ideas on sex and marriage. She said that Kant’s evident misogyny and disdain for the body have caused feminists to dismiss his arguments without seriously considering them. She argues, that Kant’s thinking about the possibilities of exploitation inherent in sexuality should be taken seriously. She said that he correctly points out that sexual interest in another’s body frequently blocks respect for the other as a person, leading the person to be treated as a thing. The prospect of sexual pleasure, furthermore, also leads people to volunteer to be treated as things. Sexual activity involves mutual surrender and thus, for Kant, the conversion of persons into things. In his view, marriage is the way in which laws intervene to define the parties to a sexual relationship as equal persons, thereby blocking the natural tendency to objectify people. He thought that the rules of care and support in a marriage produced an artificial structure of care and regard.

She said that feminist are skeptical of this because they judge, and with good reason, that marriage has all too frequently promoted and protected the exploitation of women, but nevertheless, much can be learned from a Kant's critical analysis of sexual relations, martial and non-marital.

Philosophical Interventions
By Martha C. Nussbaum