Atheism is a belief fueled by jealousy

Atheism is a belief fueled by jealousy and I say this because atheists have no clue whether or not God exists yet they rage against the idea. Pathetic. It is far better to adopt a view of agnosticism than to limit oneself to a one sided view point. That way one is more balanced. They first construct something out of nothing in the way of God and then they specifically dismiss this false notion. They believe in a God that coincides with their world. If such a God existed everyone would believe and there would be no need for mathematical proofs.

It doesn't take an extraordinary act of will or reason to not believe there is an invisible magical person existing somewhere unknown but who watches over you and protects you. It's a simple and natural inference of human experience. God is never seen or heard from, and all we have is books talking about him and what he wants from us by religious men and women. It's basic common sense. Someone is pulling the wool over our eyes, because the world just doesn't match up to the theistic narrative handed down to us since ancient times. Not believing in God is as easy as not believing in Santa Claus.

(May 24, 2018 07:17 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: They first construct something out of nothing in the way of God and then they specifically dismiss this false notion.

(May 24, 2018 07:53 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: It doesn't take an extraordinary act of will or reason to not believe there is an invisible magical person existing somewhere unknown but who watches over you and protects you. It's a simple and natural inference of human experience. God is never seen or heard from, and all we have is books talking about him and what he wants from us by religious men and women. It's basic common sense. Someone is pulling the wool over our eyes, because the world just doesn't match up to the theistic narrative handed down to us since ancient times. Not believing in God is as easy as not believing in Santa Claus.

Well, you couldn't have confirmed his claim any better if you had tried to.

(May 24, 2018 10:03 PM)Syne Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 07:17 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: They first construct something out of nothing in the way of God and then they specifically dismiss this false notion.

(May 24, 2018 07:53 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: It doesn't take an extraordinary act of will or reason to not believe there is an invisible magical person existing somewhere unknown but who watches over you and protects you. It's a simple and natural inference of human experience. God is never seen or heard from, and all we have is books talking about him and what he wants from us by religious men and women. It's basic common sense. Someone is pulling the wool over our eyes, because the world just doesn't match up to the theistic narrative handed down to us since ancient times. Not believing in God is as easy as not believing in Santa Claus.

Well, you couldn't have confirmed his claim any better if you had tried to.

I didn't construct the belief in God. Religion did that, at a time when knowledge of the universe was about at the level of a 4 year old modern child.

Ostro ....Aren't you the guy who claims to transition into gods realm? You're no more.a theist than I am. Better get your facts straight...you don't believe.anymore, remember. Are you having doubts?

My stance has always been..... believe whatever you want , keep it personal or private but whatever facts you think you have about the belief are just more beliefs. That's the part theists get wrong all of the time. You cant be a believer and spout facts about your belief. It is utter nonsense. I'm not envious of convoluted minds, I pity them.

(May 24, 2018 11:08 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 10:03 PM)Syne Wrote:

(May 24, 2018 07:53 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: It doesn't take an extraordinary act of will or reason to not believe there is an invisible magical person existing somewhere unknown but who watches over you and protects you. It's a simple and natural inference of human experience. God is never seen or heard from, and all we have is books talking about him and what he wants from us by religious men and women. It's basic common sense. Someone is pulling the wool over our eyes, because the world just doesn't match up to the theistic narrative handed down to us since ancient times. Not believing in God is as easy as not believing in Santa Claus.

Well, you couldn't have confirmed his claim any better if you had tried to.

I didn't construct the belief in God. Religion did that, at a time when knowledge of the universe was about at the level of a 4 year old modern child.

No, you just dismissed your grade school notion of "an invisible magical person existing somewhere unknown" and that the people who wrote the books and teach it do believe they see and/or hear god.

Quote:No, you just dismissed your grade school notion of "an invisible magical person existing somewhere unknown" and that the people who wrote the books and teach it do believe they see and/or hear god.

That's not my notion of God. That's the believer's notion of God. Not even believers say they see or hear from him. It all happened thousands of years ago to a bunch of literary characters written about in some book. How convenient.

(May 25, 2018 03:08 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:No, you just dismissed your grade school notion of "an invisible magical person existing somewhere unknown" and that the people who wrote the books and teach it do believe they see and/or hear god.

That's not my notion of God. That's the believer's notion of God. Not even believers say they see or hear from him. It all happened thousands of years ago to a bunch of literary characters written about in some book. How convenient.

No, believers do not think god is "magical", "invisible", nor "existing somewhere unknown". Omnipresence/omniscience isn't invisibility, and omnipotence isn't magic. Yes, believers say god speaks to them all the time. If all you're going to do is double down on your willful ignorance, you're just continuing to prove Ostro right.

(May 25, 2018 03:26 AM)Syne Wrote:

(May 25, 2018 03:08 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

Quote:No, you just dismissed your grade school notion of "an invisible magical person existing somewhere unknown" and that the people who wrote the books and teach it do believe they see and/or hear god.

That's not my notion of God. That's the believer's notion of God. Not even believers say they see or hear from him. It all happened thousands of years ago to a bunch of literary characters written about in some book. How convenient.

No, believers do not think god is "magical", "invisible", nor "existing somewhere unknown". Omnipresence/omniscience isn't invisibility, and omnipotence isn't magic. Yes, believers say god speaks to them all the time. If all you're going to do is double down on your willful ignorance, you're just continuing to prove Ostro right.

No...believers believe God is invisible, as in ominpresent, has supernatural powers, which is magic, and lives somewhere in a location that is not known called heaven. It's all part of the God concept. And no, nobody admits God is literally heard as in a voice. That's a one way trip to the psych ward.

(May 25, 2018 03:31 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:

(May 25, 2018 03:26 AM)Syne Wrote: No, believers do not think god is "magical", "invisible", nor "existing somewhere unknown". Omnipresence/omniscience isn't invisibility, and omnipotence isn't magic. Yes, believers say god speaks to them all the time. If all you're going to do is double down on your willful ignorance, you're just continuing to prove Ostro right.

No...believers believe God is invisible, as in ominpresent, has supernatural powers, which is magic, and lives somewhere in a location that is not known called heaven. It's all part of the God concept. And no, nobody admits God is literally heard as in a voice. That's a one way trip to the psych ward.

So you think omnipresent means invisible? So air is invisible...instead of just being composed of small molecules far enough apart for light to pass through unobstructed? And its property of not obstructing light is what makes it omnipresent on Earth? Rational adults realize that one has nothing to do with the other.
And you think omnipotence is supernatural, even though gravity can be considered omnipotent in its influence? Is gravity magic too? We also cannot explain things like love through science or laws of nature (the definition of supernatural). Does that make love magic? Just because you cannot give a full account of how something occurs does not mean it's magic. Otherwise, you'd have to admit UFOs and even many routine occurrences are magic.
Most believers consider heaven to exist in a parallel reality to our own, much like the multiverse interpretation of QM or bubble universes of cosmology. Do you consider QM or cosmology to be magic?
Many people report hearing the audible voice of god:
https://www.guideposts.org/inspiration/m...e-have-you
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/29...ent-crazy/

You've just drawn this childish crayon depiction of god that you feel you can easily refute. All the while failing to address what many people actually believe. Now are there people who never learn anything more than what they understood as a child? Sure, and you seem to be among them.