Requesting to rejoin sciforums for the purposes of formal discussion

Kittamuru banned me from sciforums based on a case of mistaken identity in November 2016. I want to make it clear that I simply mistook Xelasnave.1947 for an internet enemy I have had a long standing history with who has promoted misinformation and false claims to draw people into his cult in a surreptitious and underhanded way. He looks exactly like the guy. I would not engage in insults and oneupmanship if given one more chance to freely engage in intelligent formal discussion. I will restrict my behavior to a less confrontational attitude and a more intellectual one this time. Scivillage has given me the opportunity to practice this and to use my time productively to build my vocabulary. I can argue for the existence of God better than Jan Ardena because I have seen God and I have the necessary ability to explain my witnessing. Please give me one more chance?

Thank you for your consideration,

Ostronomos (formerly known as Spellbound).

(May 17, 2018 05:37 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Please give me one more chance?

I doubt that the relevant stately or powerful parties of either SciForums or TheScienceForum even lurk here or perform an intermittent fly-by. It's not just a matter of those with proper professional standards disdainfully avoiding the taint of a freewheeling den like this. Where those of their own accredited, pure, rational and methodological caste could perversely mingle with an assortment of cerebral-context mongrels, misfits, pseudos, and other rogues. Where intellectual interdenominationalism and political miscegenation are rife and unbridled, where the whoring discourse of rough intercommunion transpires.

They'd soon enough browse around covertly if SciVillage was a "Casablanca" watering-hole that also offered the conceptual equivalents of gambling, smuggled goods, pornography, prostitution, racketeering, and a cultural nexus for espionage. But it doesn't -- Scivillage is ironically too antiseptic, not dirty enough with Third Man intrigue to tempt them.

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(May 17, 2018 08:30 PM)C C Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 05:37 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Please give me one more chance?

I doubt that the relevant stately or powerful parties of either SciForums or TheScienceForum even lurk here or perform an intermittent fly-by. It's not just a matter of those with proper professional standards disdainfully avoiding the taint of a freewheeling den like this. Where those of their own accredited, pure, rational and methodological caste could perversely mingle with an assortment of cerebral-context mongrels, misfits, pseudos, and other rogues. Where intellectual interdenominationalism and political miscegenation are rife and unbridled, where the whoring discourse of rough intercommunion transpires.

They'd soon enough browse around covertly if SciVillage was a "Casablanca" watering-hole that also offered the conceptual equivalents of gambling, smuggled goods, pornography, prostitution, racketeering, and a cultural nexus for espionage. But it doesn't -- Scivillage is ironically too antiseptic, not dirty enough with Third Man intrigue to tempt them.

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Even the slightest recognition of my best "Reality..." threads here would be enough for a sciforums atheist in a position of power to no longer feint ignorance in regards to the bottom of a universal comprehension. Their site is rife with mindless and morally insensitive zealots who exclude the concept of God from their understanding. This was my observation while there. I must say that I am thankful that a few of them (Tiassa and Q-Reeus included, but not spidergoat) came abreast of what I was saying and now sciforums is home to some of the wisest minds on the internet.

TheScienceForum has its own problems. Website has completely disappeared for a couple of lengthy interludes and although it's back up it is very difficult to post at times. With these frequent interruptions many members have opted for greener pastures I assume. I can't vouch for the mods or whether they still hold absolute power or care anymore. The Duck may still be flying about watching over things, don't know. It may be your best chance to try and post a controversial new thread sans citation(s). Unless you're permanently banned you may have a glimmer of hope. What harm can it do to try? You get shot down...so be it.

I stopped being embarrassed on the internet many moons ago. We're anonymous remember.

Can someone bring my plea for reconciliation to the attention of sciforums moderators?

(May 22, 2018 05:30 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Can someone bring my plea for reconciliation to the attention of sciforums moderators?

Don't think it's as easy as you believe it to be. You've heard of political suicide,  supporting a cause that puts one in disfavor with general/voting public.  Well people may see acting as your agent as being something along the same lines. Is there such a thing as social media suicide?  Unlike this forum* which allows casual discussion sans citation, almost every other does not..

 Takes time to build a good rapport but only one unpopular move to lose it.  Not knocking it but this forum is perfect for you, why risk more heartbreak? You're eccentric enough not to be susceptible to shame but an ideal target for incurring the wrath of a science forum that demands statements be backed up. Going in with a unpopular reputation and cavalier attitude not helpful as well. Even if you showed remorse for past transgressions no one is going to believe you. My advice is to become a sock puppet and change persona as well as method of operation.

*I personally like the casual approach. Yes most realize support for one's claims is important but eventually we all understand where each of us is coming from and to me that encourages participation. Posting fear factor vanishes.

Ostronomos,
Why is it important for you to need to be accepted by one of the many science sites that exist online?

I ask as I did spent over 10 years as a Moderator (and a few of them as a Super-Moderator) at Sciforums.com and over that time I saw the sites changes unfold as well as suffered my own changes from the site itself. Sciforums.com while having some good minds post there, has always been very political and even at times toxic as a community (even though for the most part it's pushed on being the fault of the moderation). (The constant bickering and the usage of bans which causes certain people just to constantly attempt to undermine/work their way around them, which in turn just spirals into decadence. )

It wasn't a pleasure to moderate, to censor, to play whack-a-mole with the next generation of sock puppetry and attempting to rectify and get people to tone the toxicity down was a losing battle. I eventually knew that I had to step down there when I started catching myself committing obscure irrational acts, as I realised that the place itself was actually starting to effect me.

While I didn't leave in a hail of bullets, I'm sure people think I burnt bridges when I left as I've not be in communication with any of the voluntary staff since then (To be honest I'm not particular great at keeping in contact with people IRL, so it's not a reflection on their character just my own incapabilities.)

I guess what I'm trying to put forwards is that Sciforums.com shouldn't be the holy grail of Scientific Acceptance. Posting something there, talking about something there and not being shouted down or not being banned doesn't mean you are suddenly accepted (if anything it means there is likely a server outtage in the part of the world where moderation is done) So don't put so much need of acceptance on that one site, you'll end up happier by not allowing it to be a controlling factor of your intellectual existence.

(May 23, 2018 10:19 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:

(May 22, 2018 05:30 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Can someone bring my plea for reconciliation to the attention of sciforums moderators?

Don't think it's as easy as you believe it to be. You've heard of political suicide,  supporting a cause that puts one in disfavor with general/voting public.  Well people may see acting as your agent as being something along the same lines. Is there such a thing as social media suicide?  Unlike this forum* which allows casual discussion sans citation, almost every other does not..

 Takes time to build a good rapport but only one unpopular move to lose it.  Not knocking it but this forum is perfect for you, why risk more heartbreak? You're eccentric enough not to be susceptible to shame but an ideal target for incurring the wrath of a science forum that demands statements be backed up. Going in with a unpopular reputation and cavalier attitude not helpful as well. Even if you showed remorse for past transgressions no one is going to believe you. My advice is to become a sock puppet and change persona as well as method of operation.

*I personally like the casual approach. Yes most realize support for one's claims is important  but eventually we all understand where each of us is coming from and to me that  encourages participation. Posting fear factor vanishes.

It is of particular importance to note that I would not wish to jeopardize the social status of a fellow member so I would only suggest they tread lightly. This forum isn't very popular and I wish to join sciforums because I wish for a larger audience for my writings. I have sufficiently supported my claims but it is a matter of them being accepted.

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stryder Wrote:Ostronomos,
Why is it important for you to need to be accepted by one of the many science sites that exist online?

 
I find the design of sciforums very appealing. I also had friends on there.

Quote:I guess what I'm trying to put forwards is that Sciforums.com shouldn't be the holy grail of Scientific Acceptance.  Posting something there, talking about something there and not being shouted down or not being banned doesn't mean you are suddenly accepted (if anything it means there is likely a server outtage in the part of the world where moderation is done)  So don't put so much need of acceptance on that one site, you'll end up happier by not allowing it to be a controlling factor of your intellectual existence.

I will assess my feelings more carefully and decide whether to withdraw my request.

 careful what you wish for.

(May 23, 2018 03:42 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:  careful what you wish for.

I am extremely anxious to rejoin sciforums because I have a lot of knowledge to impart.