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Atheist Qualification

#11
Syne Offline
(Aug 17, 2017 07:34 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Undecided As an atheist, am I allowed to believe that there once was a god? God or whomever once existed but now there's no reason to hold any belief in a living God. IOW is an atheist still an atheist if he/she believes God is dead? Don't know why this thought occurred to me but boing, there it was.  Maybe I'm looking for something to support my exploding God hypothesis Rolleyes

That's deism:

belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind.


"Though deists rejected atheism, they often were called "atheists" by more traditional theists." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

I'd assume most atheists would consider deists theists...or at least ANY belief in a god, currently existing or not, to not qualify as atheism.
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#12
Zinjanthropos Offline
As long as it isn't God then I assume atheists are allowed to believe in just about anything else. How about things related to God belief like heaven, hell, saviours, etc? All the trappings without a god. Sorry I have to ask, seems I was an atheist before I even knew the word existed. So cut me some slack, I was only a kid for god's sake.

Been told by others like me that our brains aren't wired for God belief, whatever that means. If true then to qualify as an atheist one must be predisposed to it from conception?

Why can't those believers see that I'm genetically ill equipped for God belief and leave me alone? I think my rights are being violated. I can't help myself because I was born this way. Maybe I deserve gov't compensation or special laws protecting my atheism because I'm seriously misjudged and maligned by the society I live in....Hahahah....like that will ever happen.
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#13
Syne Offline
(Aug 19, 2017 01:01 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: As long as it isn't  God then I assume atheists are allowed to believe in just about anything else. How about things related to God belief like heaven, hell, saviours, etc? All the trappings without a god. Sorry I have to ask, seems I was an atheist before I even knew the word existed. So cut me some slack, I was only a kid for god's sake.
All those trappings are specifically predicated upon things like the existence of a soul and revelation...both of which beg for an explanatory source...especially under atheistic scientism/materialism.
Quote:Been told by others like me that our brains aren't wired for God belief, whatever that means. If true then to qualify as an atheist one must be predisposed to it from conception?
Yet religion and the idea of god arose independently all around the world.
The concept of god relies only the ability to observe that some people are more capable than others and extrapolate from that an ideal, ultimate being...be it god, aliens, the ubermensch, etc.. If your brain were truly not wired for such a process, you could be mentally disabled. Angel
What's more likely is that others like you believe in materialistic determinism to an extent that they feel that have no real choice in what they believe. It's not that choice doesn't exist...it's that disbelief in choice bars its exercise.
Quote:Why can't those believers see that I'm genetically ill equipped for God belief and leave me alone? I think my rights are being violated.

Bull. You trying to curtail their expression would be YOU violating their rights. They are free to express their views, and you are free to express yours in response.
Quote:I can't help myself because I was born this way. Maybe I deserve gov't compensation or special laws protecting my atheism because I'm  seriously misjudged and maligned by the society I live in....Hahahah....like that will ever happen.
See, you believe you have no choice to such an extent that you blame genetics...without any scientific evidence. Maligned? You mean in a popular culture that is overwhelmingly secular? Rolleyes
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#14
Zinjanthropos Offline
(Aug 19, 2017 07:16 PM)Syne Wrote:
Quote:Why can't those believers see that I'm genetically ill equipped for God belief and leave me alone? I think my rights are being violated.

See, you believe you have no choice to such an extent that you blame genetics...without any scientific evidence. 

Ummm....ok. I didn't know I believed that.
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#15
Syne Offline
(Aug 20, 2017 01:00 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
(Aug 19, 2017 07:16 PM)Syne Wrote:
Quote:Why can't those believers see that I'm genetically ill equipped for God belief and leave me alone? I think my rights are being violated.

See, you believe you have no choice to such an extent that you blame genetics...without any scientific evidence. 

Ummm....ok. I didn't know I believed that.

I thought you were better than such dishonest quoting. Dodgy
Here's what that was actually a reply to:

(Aug 19, 2017 07:16 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Aug 19, 2017 01:01 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: I can't help myself because I was born this way. Maybe I deserve gov't compensation or special laws protecting my atheism because I'm seriously misjudged and maligned by the society I live in....Hahahah....like that will ever happen.
See, you believe you have no choice to such an extent that you blame genetics...without any scientific evidence.


Where you literally said "I can't help myself", i.e. no choice, and "because I was born this way", i.e. genetics. If this isn't what you think, then maybe you should make it clear when you are being factious.
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#16
Zinjanthropos Offline
(Aug 20, 2017 05:30 PM)DfSyne Wrote:
(Aug 20, 2017 01:00 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
(Aug 19, 2017 07:16 PM)Syne Wrote:
Quote:Why can't those believers see that I'm genetically ill equipped for God belief and leave me alone? I think my rights are being violated.

See, you believe you have no choice to such an extent that you blame genetics...without any scientific evidence. 

Ummm....ok. I didn't know I believed that.

I thought you were better than such dishonest quoting.  Dodgy
Here's what that was actually a reply to:

(Aug 19, 2017 07:16 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Aug 19, 2017 01:01 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: I can't help myself because I was born this way. Maybe I deserve gov't compensation or special laws protecting my atheism because I'm  seriously misjudged and maligned by the society I live in....Hahahah....like that will ever happen.
See, you believe you have no choice to such an extent that you blame genetics...without any scientific evidence.


Where you literally said "I can't help myself", i.e. no choice, and "because I was born this way", i.e. genetics. If this isn't what you think, then maybe you should make it clear when you are being factious.

Quoting on an iPad is much more onerous than my home PC. Anyways, not wishing to insult, I didn't have the heart to tell you my post was purely satirical and not one of my serious moments, or was it? Depends.  Big Grin
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#17
Syne Offline
Rolleyes When atheists/leftists/democrats/etc. feel they've been cornered, they often claim they were joking or being satirical...or generally trying to hide behind a sudden bout of being noncommittal. Or people are actually parodying said groups. Either way, said groups look bad. They're views either can't be distinguished from parody, or they quickly retreat from any challenging argument. And it really doesn't matter which one happens to be true in any given situation.
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#18
Zinjanthropos Offline
(Aug 20, 2017 08:30 PM)Syne Wrote: Rolleyes When atheists/leftists/democrats/etc. feel they've been cornered, they often claim they were joking or being satirical...or generally trying to hide behind a sudden bout of being noncommittal. Or people are actually parodying said groups. Either way, said groups look bad. They're views either can't be distinguished from parody, or they quickly retreat from any challenging argument. And it really doesn't matter which one happens to be true in any given situation.

And that's exactly why I never said anything in my first response. If someone doesn't get the satire then your response is what it is. It will forever be i said/you said and we won't progress from there. 

So the best thing to do is say only one person knows. If you want to be that person then by all means go ahead, I don't worry about stuff like that. You know my philosophy, understand that it's just the internet where there's no way any of us can actually hear the other guy. Voice is critical in a real conversation so I guess satire is about as risky an undertaking on a forum as one can have. It'll happen again and again. 

You really think I would want gov't compensation for atheists...I thought that line was a dead give away. Wink
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#19
Syne Offline
"Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

People still want reparations for a slavery no one alive today either perpetrated nor suffered. People what special considerations for their "gender" that can change daily or even hourly.

If you want your satire appreciated for what it is, you have to make some effort in written word alone. Otherwise, you're much more likely to be seen as a member of those you attempt to parody. The misquote only added to that perception. If you don't mind being seen as the group you try to parody, don't complain when it happens.
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#20
Zinjanthropos Offline
(Aug 21, 2017 02:13 AM)Syne Wrote: "Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

People still want reparations for a slavery no one alive today either perpetrated nor suffered. People what special considerations for their "gender" that can change daily or even hourly.

If you want your satire appreciated for what it is, you have to make some effort in written word alone. Otherwise, you're much more likely to be seen as a member of those you attempt to parody. The misquote only added to that perception. If you don't mind being seen as the group you try to parody, don't complain when it happens.

As far as I'm concerned it's miscommunication, a very normal thing on the Internet. Said it before and I'll say it again, I treat the Internet as entertainment. I have fun.
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