Biden hypocrisy

#11
Zinjanthropos Offline
Build it. You can’t push oil through it until the last joint is sealed. Build it from end point to source and you can shut it off if you want at the border. Let Canada make the final connections on their side. At least people will be working until then. Well send you some fresh water if things don’t work out...

Gee....ever since Joe went Buy American, all of a sudden we can’t get COVID Vaccines. Justin announced that we are building a facility to manufacture them but won’t be up and running until July I heard. We’re far from being a third world country yet we might be the last people vaccinated. I think Joe & Justin are having a little tiff. I expect the border to be closed for sometime now.

I think Sleepy Joe is on pace to be the worst POTUS of all time. It’s early, so he can turn things around
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#12
confused2 Offline
Z. Wrote:Build it.
Looking at the Wiki map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...-route.svg
From the Canadian POV this is an just extra pipe to allow faster extraction - in keeping with my earlier suggestion that oil companies want the oil out of the ground not in the ground where it is potentially a depreciating asset.
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#13
Zinjanthropos Offline
(Feb 4, 2021 02:00 PM)confused2 Wrote:
Z. Wrote:Build it.
Looking at the Wiki map:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c...-route.svg
From the Canadian POV this is an just extra pipe to allow faster extraction - in keeping with my earlier suggestion that oil companies want the oil out of the ground not in the ground where it is potentially a depreciating asset.

I get it but the oil is going to move regardless. Can’t use anymore than you need. North American emissions pale in comparison to China/Russia so where’s Biden on that?
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Syne Offline
(Feb 4, 2021 12:03 PM)confused2 Wrote: From a global warming point of view the problem with oil is that it is relatively cheap and there is a lot of of it. For the environmentalist the desired outcome is to leave both oil and coal in the ground - the best method of transport is no transport.

When both buyer and seller choose to ignore any possible long term consequences of their actions any decisions regarding the long term consequences of their actions must inevitably be made by some other party.

Obviously the fossil fuel suppliers have every interest in getting their commodity out of the ground and turned into dollars while it remains marketable. Keeping the price low slows down the adoption of renewable alternatives and increases both the rate at which fossil fuels are sold and reduces the amount of oil likely to be left in the ground. In the rush to get oil out of the ground there is no method of extraction and no form of transport that isn't good.

The individual with a gas guzzling SUV and the companies with large reserves of oil are probably not the best people to make decisions about the long term consequences of their actions.

So far, there is zero actual evidence that climate change or global warming is going to become catastrophic...and plenty of past predictions of doom that never even came close to materializing. So the most likely long term consequences of refusing to use a cheap and plentiful energy source is that the poor get poorer and most first world countries start their decent to join the third world. Alternatives to oil and gas largely still depend on coal burning power plants. Granted, the US has more coal than the rest of the world has oil, but shipping costs for coal (no pipeline option) would still make it more expensive. Not to mention the extraction methods being harder on the environment.
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#15
Syne Offline
Obama administration's children in cages, again:

Biden administration to house migrant teens at overflow facility in Texas closed under Trump

The Biden administration plans to reopen a controversial overflow facility to house unaccompanied migrant teenagers as the government grapples with the possibility of a surge in apprehensions at the U.S.-Mexico border amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

The facility in Carrizo Springs, Texas, will house up to 700 migrant children within the next two weeks, according to a statement Tuesday from the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the agency within the Department of Health and Human Services that is responsible for migrant children.



Biden Administration Opens Detention Centers For Wave Of Abandoned Children Amassing At Border

President Joe Biden’s administration signaled its intent to reopen a Texas detention center to accommodate a recent increase in unaccompanied minors at the southern U.S. border anticipating Democrats will disregard U.S. immigration laws for them, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced on Tuesday.

The Office of Refugee Resettlement expects to begin placing up to 700 of nearly 5,000 migrant children in Department of Homeland Security custody at the Carrizo Springs, Texas facility in just two weeks.



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confused2 Offline
Z. Wrote:North American emissions pale in comparison to China/Russia so where’s Biden on that?
In North America CO2 emissions per capita are about twice that of China (no figure for Russia in this set but 20% lower than the US (2016) from other data) so where do you think Biden should be on that?
Source: https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/10296...er-capita/

@Syne - we both live in countries gearing up for lower CO2 emissions - you don't have to agree with it or like it but being stupid about it isn't going to help.
Incidentally electric cars only reduce CO2 emissions if mainly fed on renewable or nuclear generated electricity - that is something of a side issue alongside the whole the reason why you might favour electric cars in the first place.
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#17
C C Offline
(Feb 4, 2021 03:42 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: North American emissions pale in comparison to China/Russia so where’s Biden on that?


Let's clarify that it's the total output per country rather than the rate per person (per capita). Russia is actually lower.

Greenhouse gas emissions by Russia are the 4th largest in the world and derive mostly from fossil fuels. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse..._by_Russia

Greehouse gas emissions by China: Greenhouse gas emissions by China are the largest of any country in the world both in production and consumption terms, and stem mainly from coal electricity generation and mining. When measuring production-based emissions, China emitted over 12 gigatonnes (Gt) CO2eq of greenhouse gases in 2014; almost 30% of the world total. This corresponds to over 7 tonnes CO2eq emitted per person each year, slightly over the world average and the EU average but less than half the second largest emitter of greenhouse gases, the United States, with its 16 tonnes. In consumption terms, China emits slightly less, with over 6 tonnes in 2016, slightly above the world average, but less than the EU average (close to 8 tonnes) and less than the United States by more than a half, with close to 18 tonnes per person. China has committed to peak emissions by 2030 and net zero by 2060. According to academics, in order to limit warming to 1.5 degrees C coal plants in China without carbon capture must be phased out by 2045.

Gang He, a professor who studies energy and climate policy at Stony Brook University.: "This is huge given China's energy-related carbon emission accounted for about 28.8% of the global energy-related carbon emissions in 2019 and its continuing growth of [gross domestic product] and growing population of middle class," he said. China has long argued that it should have more leeway to increase its emissions as it grows its economy. https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...-40-years/

Although China recently got up to half of its population qualifying as middle-class, that's a vast collection of newbies still adhering to much of their old, restrained consumer habits when they were poorer. In contrast to North Americans accustomed to unbridled travel and consumption for more than a century.

Europeans reside in much smaller countries (less mobile on a large scale, and more easily managed due to their compaction). And Russian citizens have a habituated mindset of being white-trash afflicted with a crab mentality -- via centuries of being a source of slaves [Slavs], being peasants under Tsars, serving as the proletariat that a communist rule watched over, subjects of an oligarchy, etc.

Not to mention that the governments of China and Russia under-report their negative data and statistics to the rest of the world (and to the inhabitants). In the US, there are commercial and political industries built on routinely exposing or portraying that Americans live in an absolutely horrible country -- statisticians, journalists, and crusaders get fabulously rewarded for it here (in terms of eventual if not immediate celebrity-hood) rather than censured, poisoned, or hauled-off to rehabilitation camps.

Notice the outstanding idiocy below of literally treating promises about the future (climate change virtue signaling) as if it is precognitive fact. Typical worship of what people/governments say rather than what they do or assessment of the latter when the actual date arrives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse...ted_States

The United States produced 6.7 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions in 2018, the second largest in the world after greenhouse gas emissions by China and among the countries with the highest greenhouse gas emissions per person. Although greenhouse gas emissions by the European Union will be net zero by 2050 and China by 2060, the United States has no target to stop emitting. Because coal-fired power stations are gradually shutting down, in the 2010s emissions from electricity generation fell to second place behind transportation, which is now the largest single source.
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Syne Offline
(Feb 4, 2021 07:17 PM)confused2 Wrote:
Z. Wrote:North American emissions pale in comparison to China/Russia so where’s Biden on that?
In North America CO2 emissions per capita are about twice that of China (no figure for Russia in this set but 20% lower than the US (2016) from other data) so where do you think Biden should be on that?
Source: https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/10296...er-capita/

Canada and Australia have higher CO2 emissions than US, and China has over a billion more people than the US, making a per capita comparison nonsense. China outputs over twice the CO2 emission tonnage than the US. https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissi...er-capita/

Quote:@Syne - we both live in countries gearing up for lower CO2 emissions - you don't have to agree with it or like it but being stupid about it isn't going to help.
Incidentally electric cars only reduce CO2 emissions if mainly fed on renewable or nuclear generated electricity - that is something of a side issue alongside the whole the reason why you might favour electric cars in the first place.

You're so ignorant.

While CO2 emissions rise in Europe, the U.S. leads the world in cuts for the ninth time this century

Last week, economist Jeffrey Sachs had an op-ed on CNN titled ‘Trump’s failure to fight climate change is a crime against humanity’. Sachs didn’t hold back in his opening paragraph
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Strong stuff. Reading it, one can only assume that, under the Trump administration, carbon emissions from the US have skyrocketed.

But they haven’t. In fact, new data from the Environmental Protection Agency show that greenhouse gas emissions continued to plummet during President Trump’s first year in office.
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China, unsurprisingly, is a major culprit. But there is bad news from Europe as well.


Looking at international data up to 2018 – the most recent year available – the UK has seen the fastest decline in CO2 emissions of any major economy. Only the US has seen larger absolute cuts than the UK, in terms of tonnes of CO2 over this period, but its 5% decline is smaller in percentage terms.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uks...ast-decade


Renewables cannot supply the required power needs we have now, much less the drain of electric vehicles being put on the grid, and Democrats/environmentalists in the US are against nuclear power.

So until we quit relying on coal for power generation, electric vehicles will only cause more pollution.

Quit being such an ignorant moron, C2.
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#19
Zinjanthropos Offline
Clarifying I'm not a climate change denier but climate is always in a state of flux. What I think is holding up measures to combat the current change is that the dire predictions have not come about. Not saying science is 100% wrong about consequences either. Everything has a carbon footprint including this post. We are coming into the age of Quantum Computers, which any leader worth their salt knows will solve problems their Supercomputer cousins cannot. They are going to change the world, supplying the answers leaders need. Perhaps another reason they're waiting to act right now.
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#20
Syne Offline
(Feb 4, 2021 10:22 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Clarifying I'm not a climate change denier but climate is always in a state of flux. What I think is holding up measures to combat the current change is that the dire predictions have not come about. Not saying science is 100% wrong about consequences either. Everything has a carbon footprint including this post.

I agree. And for those who think the climate models are the reality, even after so many have clearly failed, I'll tell them the same thing I pointed out to Ostro's nonsense. The map is not the territory, nor is the model the reality. The climate has always been changing, and it's such a complex system that assuming any model of it is necessarily accurate is naive hubris.
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