Election fraud

[Syne]

Only uninformed morons (leftists) fail to realize that the votes Trump wanted to find were those due to election fraud...not fabricated votes. But as usual, unethical leftists project their own lack of principles upon others, claiming Trump wants Georgia to do for him what they already did for Biden.

That sounds like an orchestrated widespread strategy, do you believe that? I’m not sure what to believe anymore. On the one hand, it sounds completely irrational but on the other, who knows?

No, it doesn't take any orchestration for unprincipled people to act individually, or in very small groups.

I don’t think it was a wise move on Trump’s part to make that call himself (or for such a call to be made at all) At the very least, he should be leaving this to his legal team, not calling election officials asking them to pretend like they recalculated and found votes for him.
I’m not dismissing that election fraud may have occurred but two wrongs will never make a right.

He didn't ask anyone to pretend anything. He asked them to find the fraudulent votes he thinks are there to be found. There's zero wrong in asking public officials to do their duty, no matter if the request look self-serving or not. As voters, we ask public officials to do their duty for our self-interest all the time. Trumps request was only serving to protect our voting integrity.

[Syne]

Georgia Data Show Over 30,000 of Trump’s Votes Removed, Another 12,173 Switched to Biden: Data Scientists

Georgia election data indicate that more than 30,000 votes were removed from President Donald Trump and another 12,173 votes were switched to Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, data scientists testified on Dec. 30 during a state Senate hearing.

Lynda McLaughlin from the Data Integrity Group, along with data scientists Justin Mealey and Dave Lobue, presented the results before the Georgia Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Elections.

Mealey worked as an electronic warfare technician in the U.S. Navy for 9 1/2 years and was a former CIA contractor as a data analyst and programmer for the National Counterterrorism Center. He currently works for one of the “big four” accounting firms as a programmer.

Lobue is a data scientist with over a decade of experience in a number of industries.

“What we have here is we actually have fraud that we can prove in this election, there was fraud in Georgia’s election, we can prove it with data,” Mealey said. “The voting will of the people of Georgia is not reflected in what was certified by the Secretary of State.”

According to their analysis, which was published online as early as Dec. 24, time-series election data show Trump’s votes were decrementing in various counties instead of increasing as they do normally.

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Over 432,000 Votes Removed From Trump in Pennsylvania, Data Scientists Say

Pennsylvania election data shows that over 432,000 votes were removed from President Donald Trump during the November election, data scientists say.

According to an analysis by the Data Integrity Group, obtained exclusively by The Epoch Times, votes for Trump—from both Election Day and mail-in ballots—were removed from the totals in at least 15 counties.

Time-series election data shows Trump’s votes decrementing in various counties at numerous time points instead of increasing as would be expected under normal circumstances.

The group said that Election Day vote removals happened during the vote tabulation process in at least 15 counties, including Lehigh County, Chester County, Allegheny County, Armstrong County, Westmoreland County, Northampton County, Delaware County, Montgomery County, Lackawanna County, Dauphin County, Pike County, Carbon County, Washington County, Erie County, and Luzerne County.

Meanwhile, absentee vote removals happened in Allegheny County, Chester County, and Lehigh County.

At least 432,116 votes—213,707 election day votes and 218,409 absentee votes—were removed in total.

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[Magical Realist]

"The Epoch Times is a far-right[12] international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement, based in Midtown Manhattan.[17] The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television.[18] The Epoch Times has websites accessible from 35 countries[19] but is blocked in mainland China.[19]

The Epoch Times opposes the Chinese Communist Party,[20] promotes far-right politicians in Europe,[3][5] and backs President Donald Trump in the U.S.;[21] a 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[18][22][23] The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda.[18][24][25] The organization frequently promotes other Falun Gong affiliated groups, such as the performing arts company, Shen Yun."--- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Epoch_Times

[Syne]

Morons often do need to rely on genetic fallacies. Attacking the source is a much easier way to quell cognitive dissonance than trying to engage in the actual argument.

Leftists calling something "far-right" is a joke. And leftists making common cause with the CCP is to be expected. Leftist morons love them some authoritarians, whether they be Muslim, communist, etc..

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Cynical Cyril has had a look at this.
IF the graphs are not what we are supposed to think they are but are actually how far ahead one candidate is of the other then ..
(looking at the Pennsylvania data for example)
When batches counted show Trump is ahead by (say) 141,639 and a batch of (say) 45,539 votes are received for Biden then Trump's lead will drop by 45,539 to 96,100. Clearly the batch counted for Biden will have the effect of a fall in Trump's lead.
IF (as Cynical Cyril suspects) self-proclaimed 'experts' are using this kind of sleight of hand with graphs and data with intent to deceive then we are looking at a complete integrity bypass.
-Cyril.

[Syne]

Cynical Cyril has had a look at this.
IF the graphs are not what we are supposed to think they are but are actually how far ahead one candidate is of the other then ..
(looking at the Pennsylvania data for example)
When batches counted show Trump is ahead by (say) 141,639  and a batch of (say) 45,539 votes are received for Biden then Trump's lead will drop by 45,539 to 96,100. Clearly the batch counted for Biden will have the effect of a fall in Trump's lead.
IF (as Cynical Cyril suspects) self-proclaimed  'experts' are using this kind of sleight of hand with graphs and data with intent to deceive then we are looking at a complete integrity bypass.
-Cyril.

Unless you can show that those are anything but the running, raw vote totals, you're obviously just talking out of your ass.

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Cynical Cyril has had a look at this.
IF the graphs are not what we are supposed to think they are but are actually how far ahead one candidate is of the other then ..
(looking at the Pennsylvania data for example)
When batches counted show Trump is ahead by (say) 141,639  and a batch of (say) 45,539 votes are received for Biden then Trump's lead will drop by 45,539 to 96,100. Clearly the batch counted for Biden will have the effect of a fall in Trump's lead.
IF (as Cynical Cyril suspects) self-proclaimed  'experts' are using this kind of sleight of hand with graphs and data with intent to deceive then we are looking at a complete integrity bypass.
-Cyril.

Unless you can show that those are anything but the running, raw vote totals, you're obviously just talking out of your ass.

Unless you can show what they actually are you are just a sucker falling for a sleight of hand.

[Syne]

Cynical Cyril has had a look at this.
IF the graphs are not what we are supposed to think they are but are actually how far ahead one candidate is of the other then ..
(looking at the Pennsylvania data for example)
When batches counted show Trump is ahead by (say) 141,639  and a batch of (say) 45,539 votes are received for Biden then Trump's lead will drop by 45,539 to 96,100. Clearly the batch counted for Biden will have the effect of a fall in Trump's lead.
IF (as Cynical Cyril suspects) self-proclaimed  'experts' are using this kind of sleight of hand with graphs and data with intent to deceive then we are looking at a complete integrity bypass.
-Cyril.

Unless you can show that those are anything but the running, raw vote totals, you're obviously just talking out of your ass.

Unless you can show what they actually are you are just a sucker falling for a sleight of hand.

Quit being a lazy ass, moron. Here's the official Chester county results: https://pennsylvania.totalvote.com/Chest...03&map=CTY
As ANYONE can see for themselves, it says Trump got a total of 128,565 votes.

Now look at the above graph for that county, and ANYONE will see that the Trump got 97,754 election day votes and (looks like) 29,939 absentee votes.
97,754 + 29,939 = 127,693
That's less that 1,000 difference, and well below the margin between them.


So not only have I not been duped by sleight of hand, it only took your own ignorant bias for you to sucker yourself.

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So not only have I not been duped by sleight of hand, it only took your own ignorant bias for you to sucker yourself.

Staying with the Chester County - I don't think any progress can be made without the equivalent Biden graph - can you find it? If votes were actually swapped they would show and if they showed we'd have the graph so I suspect nothing to see.

[confused2]

Trump seems to have claimed to have won before the votes were even counted which doesn't inspire sympathy when he loses. That aside the election should be 'free and fair' which means the votes should be fairly counted. Complaining about 'absolutely everything' doesn't give anyone (including a court) anything to go on. The more specific and bigger you (or Trump) can show the better - for example the 49,539 blip in the Chester PA vote might be worth chasing with a view to finding an explanation which might (possibly) be systematic/endemic and could have changed the outcome of the election. Regardless, what looks very much like attempts to snow everyone (including courts) have not only failed but raised the bar for the quality of evidence required when time is short and evidence is already lost. At some point you (the US) may have to accept the Trump lost the election for (insert reason) and make sure it doesn't happen again.