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Why thousands in the UK engaged in protests spurred by George Floyd death in US

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Secular Sanity Offline
(Jun 8, 2020 11:18 PM)Syne Wrote: In the Floyd case, bystanders or the person filming could have called 911 to see about getting a supervisor out there. If bystanders would take some initiative, they'd be the best protection against stuff like this. So long as they actually try to get a supervisor out there, instead of just yelling at the cops and filming.


Yeah, maybe, but I don’t think there was enough time. It looks like they got on top of him at around 8:15 p.m. The ambulance was called at 8:22 p.m. for a code 2 and then it was upped to a code 3. The ambulance arrived at 8:27 p.m. and a minute later the officer got off of him.



(Jun 8, 2020 10:04 PM)C C Wrote: As to a POV from the "other side", or at least digging up some sort of alternative viewpoint and cynicism...

This woman (video below) asserts that there is white arrogance on both sides of the fence. The byline extracted from her that's used on Twitter seems to be "I am black, I am not oppressed, I am free." One white protestor (if not several?) supposedly tries to tell her she's not being properly black.

Her points are apparently along the line of:

(1) Most black murder victims are killed by black perpetrators. (2600 of 2935 in 2018)

(2) Black lives only seem to matter when a white person or cop is involved (in terms of protest, national attention, and doing something about it). Which is to say, it's the association with a white perpetrator or cop that elevates the victim's value in that sense. Thus, disguised racism and exploitation of those incidents by politicians to further their careers, by journalists/media to bolster ratings, white protestors scoring virtue points for themselves, and the stewardship of black leaders (ideologically descended from the Talented Tenth approach) issuing rallying cries to strengthen their importance as mediators for and resource acquirers for "common" black folk.

(3) Diminishing the extraordinarily high (percentage-wise) homicide rate in gang-ridden and substance abuse neighborhoods (or black on black violence) doesn't warrant national focus and demonstrations. Due again to the covert racism. It's important that cops and white dominated communities be held to high moral standards. (Even minority police are branded "white" in function if they're involved in brutality or hasty judgment scandals.) But in silent or unsaid in public style, black neighborhoods are not expected to achieve much in that area. They are challenged in various psychological, social, and financial areas due to past and continued oppression (not to mention exploitation by criminal elements and capitalism). They are excused as victims and require guardianship by talented black leaders and the "I care" and "I feel your pain" white political caretakers. Who give vocal support and have promised eradication of poverty and injustice for decades, but somehow never deliver. Or else keep raising the bar. (Successfully ending the plight of minorities would mean losing their role as saviors and their voter base, respectively.) 

All good points, that's for sure. The violence in Chicago is crazy. Did you happened to see Seattle’s suggestion at the other place? 

The video shows three cops kneeling on him, and I could be wrong, but I think the one in the middle, kneeling on his back is at least part black. 


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"Kueng is a Black Man, raised by a single mom who adopted him at the age of four", his attorney Plunkett confirmed.

https://thecourierdaily.com/who-j-alexan...oyd/20141/
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Syne Offline
(Jun 9, 2020 01:38 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [quote='Syne' pid='36291' dateline='1591654691']

In the Floyd case, bystanders or the person filming could have called 911 to see about getting a supervisor out there. If bystanders would take some initiative, they'd be the best protection against stuff like this. So long as they actually try to get a supervisor out there, instead of just yelling at the cops and filming.


Yeah, maybe, but I don’t think there was enough time. It looks like they got on top of him at around 8:15 p.m. The ambulance was called at 8:22 p.m. for a code 2 and then it was upped to a code 3. The ambulance arrived at 8:27 p.m. and a minute later the officer got off of him.
Quote:Maybe, but there's countless incidents where bystanders could've made all the difference.
(Jun 8, 2020 10:04 PM)C C Wrote:

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"Kueng is a Black Man, raised by a single mom who adopted him at the age of four", his attorney Plunkett confirmed.

https://thecourierdaily.com/who-j-alexan...oyd/20141/
There is often a bigotry between light and dark black people.
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#23
Zinjanthropos Offline
If racism and all that’s associated with it were completely eliminated then would it be ok for whites to shoot blacks and vice versa should the situation call for it? Should be, but it won’t be.

Maybe satirical but the simplest solution would be for science to develop a process where we all walk around with dark pigmentation in our skin, all of us becoming white might be more difficult but if that can be done, do it. Even then we may favour certain shades, so it’s important that we are all the same colour.
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C C Offline
(Jun 9, 2020 01:38 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [...] Did you happened to see Seattle’s suggestion at the other place?


That's sort of what China is doing with the Uyghurs -- i.e., since it can't go final solution on them, then brainwash the ethnic heritage right out of them.
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stryder Offline
Further observation suggests that it's a "Series of Unfortunate Events". It appears as that BLM was "planned in advance" to be sensationalised and politicised prior to George Floyd's death. In fact if it hadn't of been Floyd's death it might of been Jimmy Fallon's "Black Face" incident or something else far more benign. BLM isn't something that just popped up, it's been active for a number of years and notably has previously popped up during Trump's Campaigning (as opposition).

It's a shame that someones death however gets misused in this manner. There's people attempting to sell T-shirts, or using it to forward their careers and it's all done in such a way where people don't see them for the shyster's they are.
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