When does life begin? |
(Sep 26, 2018 07:46 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:Nope, I've already given you the definition for death, several times. It is the cessation of an organism or vital process.Quote:You're, again, conflating words...here "non-functioning" with "dead". They are not synonyms, especially in the sense of a brain. It's not like your electronics, where we colloquially call a nonfunctional piece of tech "dead". You've given no alternative that avoids the cessation of existing life. You just keep reiterating the same nonsense. Quote:Quote:No, life doesn't "come from" molecules, otherwise we would have proof of abiogenesis (and you'd likely win a Nobel prize if you could...so there's no lack of motivation). Food is converted to chemical energy for a living organism to do the work of growing tissue; food doesn't become living tissue. Who disagreed that food comes from dead tissue? No one, but apparently, in your ignorance, you think that makes some kind of point. What don't you understand about food merely being the chemical energy a living organism needs to do work? Living cells divide to produce new living cells. There is never a non-living step in the process of reproduction. They simply use chemical energy to do the work, as per the first law of thermodynamics. Very basic science here. You obviously have no clue about science. Again, if you're so sure that "Matter that is dead turns into matter that is alive", you should really publish a paper and claim your Nobel prize. Again, from the guy who believes in toilet ghosts: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-6186.html (Sep 26, 2018 08:02 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:(Sep 26, 2018 07:58 PM)Yazata Wrote: If a brain was functioning at one time, then irreversibly ceases functioning, it must have previously been alive. (A brain can't function unless its many neurons are living cells.) See, I told you you were conflating terms and confusing brains and electronics. Quote:See, I told you you were conflating terms and confusing brains and electronics. LOL! The brain IS an electronic system. It entirely depends for its functioning on the flow of electrons. Just like a TV set.
So, MR, if you believe that developing a brain is the same as brain death, where does anencephaly fit in? O_o
an·en·ce·phal·ic adjective 1. having the cerebral hemispheres and a large part of the skull congenitally absent; exhibiting anencephaly. noun 1. an anencephalic fetus or infant. Is that brain death, the lack of a brain, a developing brain, or are they all the same to you? O_o (Sep 26, 2018 08:32 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:Quote:See, I told you you were conflating terms and confusing brains and electronics. LOL! Do you think you can turn the brain on and off too? Quote:Is that brain death, the lack of a brain, a developing brain, or are they all the same to you? That would be brain dead too. All dark inside. Quote:LOL! Do you think you can turn the brain on and off too? Yes...when a brain is turned off it's called brain dead. It's the same state in the early fetus and the expired human.
Thanks for making sure we're all very aware of just how completely scientifically illiterate you are, MR. Job well done, man.
(Sep 26, 2018 10:19 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:(Sep 26, 2018 08:40 PM)Syne Wrote: Thanks for making sure we're all very aware of just how completely scientifically illiterate you are, MR. Job well done, man. Keep it up, man, you're doing a great job. Only anti-science rubes say crap like "slavish devotion to science" when objective and verified facts contradict their subjective, ignorant nonsense. Everyone notices that you've hardly addressed, much less refuted, any of the facts I've given you. But you're more than welcome to keep opening your mouth and removing all doubt. (Oct 5, 2018 01:43 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:(Sep 25, 2018 06:01 PM)Syne Wrote: There is no debate, and 100% consensus, on the scientific view of when life begins. Anyone that tells you otherwise doesn't understand science or has an intentionally dishonest agenda. They can be frozen before the second or third day, before the separate DNA contributions form an new, unique DNA. An embryo can be frozen during several stages of its development: from the day of fertilization, when they are an only cell1, to five or six days later in their blastocyst stage2, when they are the same size but with more cells within. During their first seven days alive, they grow within the external membrane of the oocyte, exactly like a chick in an egg shell… Remember an egg is a chicken’s oocyte! The moment in which the cells break the membrane is known as the hatching of the blastocyst3, they come out and implant immediately in the inner layer of the uterus. Thus, they can be frozen up until that moment. Considering frozen embryos are fertilized (which takes only 16-20 hours) in the lab, this is not a problem. |
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